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Bigwater Fishing with Ross Robertson
Bigwater Fishing with Ross Robertson

Episode 38 · 5 months ago

Brian Brosdahl - Ice Fishing Guide, Writer, Tournament Pro

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Brian “Bro” Brosdahl, of MAX, MN, is one of the most recognized and respected anglers in North America. Bro, as he’s known, is a multispecies angler best known for his influence on the sport of ice fishing. Several popular ice fishing products are based on his ideas. He has been a contributor to F + W Ice Fishing Annual, Field & Stream, FLW Outdoors, Game & Fish Publications, In-Fisherman Magazine, In-Fisherman’s Ice Guide, Midwest Outdoors Magazine, North American Fisherman Magazine, Outdoor News, Walleye Insider and many other publications and websites. Co-designed Frabill’s “Bro Series Ice Fishing Combos” Co-developed Northland Fishing Tackle’s “Bro’s Bug Collection” Pioneered the “Bro Dropper,” a modified ice fishing dropper rig Pioneered “Slip Dragging,” an open water walleye presentation.

Capt. Ross Robertson has made his complete living chasing walleye as a full time professional angler for more than 20 years. Through the years he has worn many hats including time as a fishing guide, boat salesman, TV host, outdoor writer, product designer, tournament fisherman, speaker, radio host and podcaster to name a few. Ross fishes ice-out to ice-up on the Great Lakes. He spends the majority of the year walleye fishing on Lake Erie’s Western and Central basins. Check out more from Bigwater Fishing https://www.facebook.com/BigwaterFishing/ https://www.instagram.com/bigwaterfishing/ http://bigwaterfishing.com/

Producer. Dude, we have another character. I'm starting to see a trend here. Lots of characters in the fishing Wood Street. You know, there really is. I don't know if that's just the one that I'm learning that. I'm not sure if it's just just the ones that are the ones that hang around, or the ones that are still standing. But we have a longtime friend of mine, Brian the BRO. They call him brows doll and he has kind of the ice guy. That's kind of what he's known for, even though I'm sure we'll talk about some other things, because he's been an open water guide and tournament fisherman and I used to fish against him for a number of years there. But he's kind of a character. He talks as much as I do and he but he usually got something pretty good to say, so unlike you, right, exactly precisely. That's why we have such amazing guests on the big water podcast. I don't know if we should keep him waiting any longer, because me and you were just going to salt insalt each other on but what about we bring this man in, Brian Bros al AK, the Bro, welcome to the big water podcast. Thanks for giving a sheer time. I appreciate it. We and you have done a little never fishing in the same boat. We've been around each other a whole bunch through the business end of things and pop up at all the same stuff, but it's good to kind of sit down and talk a few stories, a little bit of chaos. I definitely want to talk to heather a little bit too, because I mean she's obviously my favorite brow still, so I'm like her more than they like me. It's easy. As Ginger guys, we're always, you know and deep duty. But so you know I have people. They probably no youth for the ice thing, right. I mean that seems to be kind of your niche and I know living in your neck of the woods you get it for five six months and we get it for five days. But how did this whole thing start? I mean everybody has the same story. I love to fish, but most people don't have the balls to like see through the hard times to make a living like you have for so many years fishing. Like what was it like that that like in the early years and northern Minnesota for you? Well, you learned how to like kill deer and and eat dere and no, it was. It was an easy I remember many, many a night's loading wood down this ramp to bring to the the furnace, and just happen to be a furnace in a basement. And how could there be anything worse? And cutting and sawing and and I like propain. Now, just give me pro pain, you know. Just just turn it and you know it might be becoming a cake eire a little bit, but just plain like an on switch. Maybe it's because that's what I have in my bollet and you know it's like humming bird. You turn the on switch and everything's easy to use. I mean I need something like that, but in the old days it wasn't easy. And we're not money motivate. If it don't, don't tell anybody sponsors at but we we, we can live very frugal and we always have. And that's the thing in this industry. If you want money, you can make it in fishing, but you're going to be a small percentage of fishing truly to make a living at it. But I guess I just wanted to be around water, because waters my big excuse to be in extraordinary places and see stuff and here stuff and I'm I'm waters a magnet to me, me to meet too. So was it giving? Is that kind of how you because you're in northern Minnesota. You've always been up that neck of the woods, right. Yeah, yeah, not not so much up here. You know, in the early days I would take people for anything that's open water, Musky, Pan Fish, walleyes. The difference between all of those species is I still to this day, from twenty eight years ago, even twenty seven, from twenty five to twenty years ago, I can go out on a panther spot in the spring in the same boats I guided that many years ago. are still fishing the same spots and it's not like that with Walleyes. Walleyes change,...

...but the most it's one and done with Pan Fish. They just want to know the spot and then they go for it. That's why I do Walleyes, because it's Pan Fish. You go up in the weeds by a red house, you know, and you're up in the bowl rushes and people find their way back and they're not bashful. They'll just go back and keep taking them in and it's their spot. But Wal these are different. You don't have any weeks the same and I have clients that say that in fifteen years we've never started on the same spot and sometimes the same lake twice, and and they're just amazed. And it's a hunt and it's a race and and I'm not on giant water like you are, but they keep you guessing. But there's a slight pattern, you know, and so guiding was never super paid the bills, let's just say that. And sponsorships help pay the bill, little gas and groceries. But I've had sponsors for a long time, cash sponsors in over twenty five years in I'm kind of, you might say, just happened into it. I've always been in a fishing and you find out that, and you know this, even if you're in fishing enough, you don't have to pursue it. It comes to you and you get phone calls and your if people know you as the person for that spotter area or what you can done cells, they will call you and so you got to make yourself known. I agree with that whole hardly. You know, cash sponsorships can be hard to get and harder to keep, but if you're doing the right stuff, it's it's surprisingly I went. I don't want somes the word easy, but I think that I never really thought about it, like with what you said about the panfish thing, backing up a little bit, because that from a guide. Yeah, when you can. I'm just so not used to that because you can see across the lakes and throw a baseball across some of the lakes that you may fish. Yes, loose and small deals and a little bottle next, but yeah, out where I'm at. Oh, we'll come here tomorrow. I'd go for it. They are going to be here this afternoon. But they move five hundred and ten, fifteen, twenty miles on the day, and we've actually had some guys on that. But listening to our podcast, Chris Bandra gooden and Travis Hartman, both the fisheries guys for the Great Lake Seria, they they put the radio trackers or Acoustic telemetriies the proper term and the moment that these fish move. It is insane, insane at how far they'll move. Job Security, oh my gosh. A little sidebar for somebody that hasn't listened to our stuff. They had a Musky up in Lake St Clair and it went to Buffalo New York, and and it did tell a producer. Do if you remember this, every five years that that Musky and a couple other ones make that trip all the way to New York. They can't figure out why, but it's like every four or five years they do that and then just he spend they hang around Lake Saint Clair the other three or four years. The food must be good there. Yeah, I mean another one here one of your well that's one of my favorite lines. Is One of your northern Minnesota Boys. I used to fish with quite a bit, and so he's told me fish don't go far from the grocery store. Doesn't matter what species they are. No, they want groceries. Yeah, so did the ice fishing deal? I mean, was that just because, you know, I would say that Dave guns is kind of the guy that, you know, people think of with the fold over shack and all that stuff. You know, I work with those guys on on the ice team thing, and and that's they get a lot of credit for that. But people in your neck of the woods they make more money, let's say a resort or something ice fishing because they can run more people and just as many days as they do are longer, more days than you would have a summer seasons. That right, absolutely, and it's, you know, ice fishing as a culmination of so many people's efforts and and he was a focal point of it and he's a great person and we're friends. But there's, there was a lot of people I've always looked up to to Dave in, Doug Stay, anybody that would get the word out in when I was younger, I remember reading a lot of how he...

...approached things as a teacher. Doug stay and the lender's dabbled a nice but they did it really well and their stuff stuck, stuck to home and and even Tom Grunwald just just a there's a whole bunch of people in some of the hardcore malacs ice fishing, people that were farmers in the summer and very techno savvy in the winter. When I was a kid I was around these people and they were using rods and reels when everybody laughed about rods and reels and they're used in fly reels way back then and jigging with small spoons, Swedish pimples back then before anything else existed. We're talking about, you know, right after the wheel was invented, but it always impressed me and that was right on the virgual and electronics come out and when I was a kid I made my own ice fishing rods and in I can't tell you it's so accepted now, but back then it was. It was people laugh, you know, because it's not a jiggle stick stuck in the ice, it's not a tip up, it's not a rattle reel on the wall. And and now you think you couldn't whoever want to hand over hand anything. So when I see, I'm sorry, guys out there at the schoolies, that doesn't push the needle and ice fishing. It's really cool for you right now and it's always been there, but it's light, I get it, but it doesn't push the needle and ice fishing. There's no company that's going to, you know, excel because you're using a little plastic reel and I know that. If there's, it's a light thing, it's a tournament thing, it's you know. But so at we're advanced. We got super technical rods and reels and in electronics forward viewing, it's amazing. Tonight I watched Wallis come in from ten feet away and swim up and I could, I could cater to them on mega live and watch them come up and bump my lower circle around and I start pulling it away and they'd hit it and I said look and you can see their top fin. You could tell they're not a pike. There's really cool. Let's will get into that, because I definitely want to talk with you about that. But I mean, let's back up a little bit. Even in my lifetime, right, I mean Dave they is considered the godfather ice fishing or what have you, and because of some of those early advancements. But that's only like, let's say forty years, which then the pictures not much. And when you look at like when even when you've started ice fishing right, which is before me, I'll give you that, you know you're out there in car hearts at best, getting soaked, freezing your butt off. Now we've got these float suits, like you said, we've got the schooler reels. I mean the shacks are just amazing. Their lighter there more just just the advancement in the shacks in our time for sure, of going to the insulation from just the regular tech material. Yeah, like ridiculous you know, hardly almost don't need a heater. And let's you live in your neck of the woods in the middle of the winter with weddings. That's absolutely true. And you know, my first flip style house I actually bought from Dave Genn's Ad Vado's Bait, and there's a lot of people movado's bait to express because you can order magets and stuff, but I bought it from him personally as a kid and that was my first flip style house and was the white one and you still haven't no, I use it to all shreds and and you know, I'm many years later and I was there in many years later and with another company. But it all boils down to the fishing industry was a real tiny little thing back then and I remember there's guys like the Grizz in the CAPRAS and and all these people that were you know Gary Roach and you know him very well. I know that Utcher we had. We've had him on the PODCASTS. Can you believe we got them to do a podcast? He's awesome and the guy as always loved ice...

...fishing, so he's seen the stuff from the humble beginnings. Fella GE is one of those guys that figured out how to ice fish at a long, long time ago and find mud flats on the middle more. But I still I still wish way back then I would have bought land on the Kataba peninsula and near Lake Erie there so I could have a little spring home to go to. But it's too rich for my blood now. I'm I'm not very far from her as we speak. I know it's it's a cool area and I always, I always like that when I when we're past winter and everybody's all excited and everything's thawing and melting, but you can't get on the ice anymore and the rainy rivers closed. I always run into your neck in the woods because they're mowing law your mowing lawns. In your area. The grass is green, the birds are starting to make nests and back at home it looks like Halloween. It looks everything's dead because the grass is Brown. And then you get snow storms. But there's no reason. You can't get out to the ice unless you got a will craft and in the river's closed over there. so that's when everybody either goes to the liquor store or they go fishing and I choose to go fishing. That's probably that's probably good for both of us. But so kind of been getting backing up a little bit again, I mean beyond the side. You're a straight shooter like I am. Where did you get into this ice fishing thing the way that you are, because I'm not taking away from you, and you obviously been a successful tournament Angler and open water guide, but people know you as a ice guy. I mean maybe that's maybe that's not fair to say. Is it's it's true, because you know, in the tournaments, never I never won the the flw and never won the NDWT. I've had third, fourth. I was king a fourth place for a couple of years and just I was up there and then my last year I probably had one check cash and then, you know, I was just you. I didn't have enough time to devote to it. I was a fishing guide playing in a millionaire's club and you got to have time. You got to have equal time, you know, and I did find schools of fish and sometimes I put it together, but it's when you're in that circle. If you get any of it, you're doing good and I think it really helped me improve the experience my clients have when I go fishing. But I've also learned to tone it back a little bit because they're not out for a hyper let's glean through the school super fast and they they want to enjoy it in consistency is important. But you know, it's time away and other other that I loved it tournaments. To me we were an excuse to be in extraordinary places. But it's a vacation with a little bit of stress because they a little more than a little bit. Well know, a little bit of stress because you're there. Then you have to get I have to go to Erie. You talk to everybody, all got the same e the same knowledge gathering. And then there's people with teams and they spread out and I was a one man Wolf Pack, you might say, like that movie of let Las Vegas One but I just fell up there and and I knew and greater a movie. By the way, you could have been to the man of the hangover. It would be fun. Yeah, and but when actually can I can interrupt you, because I guess so left field, scatter brained, but I was. I was at a deal with some sponsors and Orlando. You do you know where this might be going and we're in the ice bar. They got these big jackets on and some of the guys with me did. Other sponsors are like, who's that eatiot over there in the t shirt? So you didn't have the big Parka in the Hat Ping on. And you're walking through there and you came up to men. You're like hey, what's up man, and one of my sponsors was like why is that not surprised me that you know him? You know, it was. It was cool in there, but it felt good. I mean here I am, I'm a person that lives. If you take...

...the whole year's average, is probably averages up to fifty degrees. You know, I mean we have we were s this year, but we get forty here in a lot of below zero. You start out below zero and then you make it up to ten or twenty. Well, anyway, I go down there and it's hot out there. I mean, you're talking and he did. It is just ridiculous. It's like Minnesota. We get real muggy and it's Muggy and Florida it's a jungle heat kind of thing that we have up in Minnesota. In so there's the ice bar. I was in there I was very happy. It was elated to be in there and it was so nice I could have but then after a while I was like, okay, I've cooled down now, the sweat is frozen on my body and but I tell you what you could tell I enjoyed it. Producer Dude, I mean you're been to an ice bar. Do you know what he's talking about? I mean I'm assuming it was. It's a room at the conference or something. That's no, it's an actual bar that is literally like a walk in Freezer and everything is ice, like the counter is ice like everything in there. It's below freezing. It's literally a bar. I thought it was a test room and I cast or something. Well, I think it was the name of people. I thought it was like zero degrees, but I don't, I don't. We have more or something like that. It was sun bowls hero. I'm betting the ice bar in or land a floor before we hang up with us. The producer Dud will. He will be our our guy and get this information out. But you go in there and they have these like giant park has like these big like I don't know if the real fur not, probably not, but he's giant like Russian hats and everybody puts one of these things on and they go on the ice bar and everything's it's quite literally everything's covered in ice Ye and you're in there in a tshirt and I was like, okay, may right backing out, because me and you like are all over the place like a fighting judge. But my question was, which is good? Is You know, did you get into the ice fishing thing just because there's more of an opportunity be honest, more of an opportunity to make money, or is it because it's like that's five or six months a year for you? Or I love ice fishing, I really do, and that's it's my favorite part of fishing. I mean, I've been asked many times what would you take? I would take ice fishing, but I like bites, whether it's open water or ice, and I would say ice fishing to me is is a lot more peaceful. You don't have I have nothing against weight boats, but I ain't got no weight build just about throwing me out of my boat and I don't have like how many pontoons and dry tunes have they sold? With two hundred plus Horse Power Motors the lakes? I'm on are them are up in them the woods of northern Minnesota, but they're getting so much traffic. One of the lakes I got on, Cass Lake, had one fourteen hundred boats on it on the fourth of July and and so you know, on the fifth of July I didn't go back there. I went elsewhere. I phone a like that at five boats on it and it was great. But I got to say a hundred percent agree. But here's I have a funny thing. You may not even have seen this. I won't say the company, but a company me and you both work with a couple of our bosses that were out doing a media shoot on the ice like a week ago, maybe not even that. You know I'm talking about, and they're doing a shoot. They're they're doing a shoot, making a commercial thing, and some dude, you remember that, you see this. They drill a whole like ex feet behind him and they're like literally the middle shooting this camera deal and this guy just walks up and drolls a whole. There's no one else on the like drolls the whole at six feet from them and I'm like, and I'll tell you afterwards about it, but one of the guys put it up on a social media's personal social media and I was laughing. You know, I don't know if you get that. I mean I'm on obviously the Great Lakes. I mean there it's a lot harder to not only get on somebody because of the sheer volume, but also we're not fishing generally a little point or a weed break or something like. We're fishing these mud flats that are five miles long, right, and the fish are here, then they're gone and people still it's crazy to your point of like, yeah, you don't have to wait boats or but don't...

...you just have some knucklehead, just jackasses that just drill on top of you? But I always figure someone moving in on me might be a friend I haven't met yet. I have to think something positive, because I'm not. I'm I approach it from a perspective of Ay this you don't know. I mean they don't know. They've they're probably not from there, because I get a lot of people that look for me and if they find me they will drill up, but they kind of they give me a little little buffer zone. Sometimes you don't, but I'll help them out. I give him a little bit of advice and then sometimes they call me lader. But you really don't want to do that when someone's guiding, because I get clients. I do even talk, like tell my clients just not to start nothing. They'll ask him if they want to split the bill and stuff like that. And and but it's it's what it is. They're just people and you know, you don't they might be nuts, maybe they're not, but sometimes people do things and they you know, you just got to give them the benefit of a doult. So that's me being, you know, maybe part Sweden, kind of news. You're too kind and gracious. I'll help them out and after drilling too many holes and scared and fish, I'll give them some of my holes that I drilled and just, you know, just tell them you know it, just fish right there. But know that being said, in other areas, in other areas in Minnesota, I've heard when it gets busy here in you have up to maybe five, six, seven states fishing in an area that hope people will get so close that they're fishing each other's holes. And I've there's been altercations and police called four fights that started because a guy drilled a hole that was it's froze over, but it was from the day before and he said that's my hole from the other day. So some people just get a little bit too hot under the collar and if they move in on me, I'll just leave. Producer. Do you know even need to hear me say this out long, but bro is a lot more tame than I am. Right that sounding? It sounds like he just okay, I'll yeah, ice, I'll make another hole. You would fight over that hole. You'd be that would that's not whole. Well, the one of the altercations. It was a really nice guy here and he's putty's big guys like four and he's a construction guy and and another guy from another state said you need to get out of my hole. I drilled that hole yesterday and he and he told him, you're going to have to get a two by four. He goes, are you threatening me with a two by four? He said you're going to need that to stop me, and so he called the cops and he said you threatened with a two by four? He said no, I just told him you better have one if I come after him. I start singing. Yeah, Heather starts sing and it's not a favorite. Heather. Right there is singing and they leave. She'll sing. Naturally she'll show. Show yourself, heather, show yourself right now. Where are you at? There's I can all hears. No Locker. I was just going to say. I start singing and then naturally they scudattle because that because of your rock, your bad rock singing or what. I'm a horrible singer and actually device she's a good performer, you know, you know something like I always tell her that some of these bands, like look at the stones, Mick Jagger could never sing, but he sounded great, you know. So you throw in a little move and you you start going with it. Right, just attitude, right, just, yeah. I'm a fisherman and I'm when it comes to music, to whatever is on the jukebox. I'm fine with you know, and she's very specific, w with what she likes, and I could go to anybody's band or party in be fine with it. There much easier. Go ahead. You said you actually see a fight because of ice fishing, like ten person. No, I just hear people in it. That's what she wanted me to show that she's actually this is...

...her music, you know, like good albums produce or dude producing it is our music guy. Yeah, and she had met Johnny Rotten, so that's her claim to fame too, and the whole band. And there their room, mellow and and you know, I'm just ahead to make sure that I could get her out of there. Both know you here rock and roll stories, right. So to for vinyl. This is yeah, this is this conversation is going hard, rough, que back and fishing. Okay, okay, no more distractions please. From the fucking roll gallery over there. She I like. Can't you have overlook my tick Tock. There's a lot of country on there and and I don't like just one kind. And you know, if you want to throw on some anything, you know, some Funky, I'll listen to it in a boat. I don't care. But I'm a I like country, probably is my favorite, and rock and roll if I'm tired, to wake me up when I'm driving. This is interesting. I want to still talk about fights. And you seen a fight on the ice like as much ice fishing? Easy Do. And I know there's knuckleheads. There's knuckleheads everywhere. You know, I not not too much. I've seen yelling in you know, a little bit on the ice over holes or a decision for driving on to a lake with a truck and getting buried in slush. And I see people yelling, but I haven't seen any fights. I sure of calm people down when I pull up with my track truck and I pull them out. Then they stopped fighting with each other. But you know, that being said, it's kind of hard on your machinery to do that all day long, but it's you know, everybody seems good. The only places I've actually seen altercations is you go to get something to eat afterwards at at a local bar and restaurant and those are the people fighting outside. If you if you're there too long, you might see one. Well, that might be wrong, bag and Douce, as we say. Yeah, and I can tell you one of the coolest ones I saw on the ice of theirs. I maybe that's not a good phrasing of it, but there was a guy in an air boat who didn't really know how to drive it and out here in this our wind is just crazy, and he took about twenty little flip over shacks that were all right tight together. You know, get these little groups you've seen on here. Oh yeah, are the air boat was like Aiman like left and the wind blew them right and he went right through those guys, and I mean the guys were in their shacks getting pushed. Can you imagine? Just ripped right out of your whole I mean he had them guys that were pinned up against the thing and all I can tell you is there was some there was some fist thrown that day. Yeah, that's you know, stuff happens out there and you know that's where that's where it's. Yeah, it's interesting. Let's just say I'm glad I wasn't those guys. Yeah, I mean it's a guide. I mean he's you know the stories. Everybody loves stories. I mean you've got to have I mean I can remember covering you doing some Mediu when I used to work for Flw, like at that Leach Lake Tournament. Yeah, I can remember. I can remember there was some shenanigans that went on there because you are fishing this back little area. A bunch of guys followed in and did you have something with a coangler? Happened there too. I don't really remember. Oh Yeah, well, I was in the first place on day for it. So if it was three, three day tournament. I would have won it and I would have killed everybody. But Day for I went I'd get my under it's your only a lot to fish over the time. Eighteen or SIS. They can't touch eighteen. So Eighteen, two hundred and twenty six and the two days prior I get my two over twenty six. I had usually twenty eight and I got all my overs and so I go get my understand, go get my overs and we just got our last under. It was seventeen to three quarters and it was just a just a fat little fish, and I'm like that's going to give us an extra pound over the day before. Let's go get the big fish. Great job here. I opened the live wild door and I say throw it in and he threw it in the lake three hours and it took half hours to get replaced that fish. And...

...in would you have gone for small fish at the time? They weren't. They were kind of there wasn't much for small fish in my big fishure. There were just well, I got I ended up in third place and it's what it is. I mean the difference between I think it would have been eight thousand Eightyzero and in thirteen or was it fifteen thousand, something like that. So it's you know, he made a mistake in the right away started panicking and hyperventilate. Than I said, Hey, don't worry, it's my fault. I'll be clear. I just I open the wells that throw it in. So I saw. I tell you to throw it in the well next time. Actually, no, walk it and set it in. But I would have never thought it. And so a plan that I had, I probably should have won for big fish and just had less fish because but I had a spot that was good for two. I got five fish over one day in the smallest was twenty seven up to thirty two inches in. You know, it's you know, sometimes you're not allowed to call, so you take your first big fish in. So I had a pretty good spot and I know we would have got at least one for sure. But all I needed is I didn't need much to win that in that was a big turning point. But he can't get mad. There's a lot of stress on the CO THE CO had. I think he had like you know, I don't know what he had twin. It wasn't that much, but he could have won twenty grand if you would have probably, you know, but anyway, it's it takes too you know, so I'll take that. Third God, I'll take that. And it was. It was a great experience and, you know, let's just say that it was a waste of big fish spots or big fish couple big fish spots, because they didn't get touched that day in they probably after that. I went for the big fish and then skipped a little fish. But that's not always the way either. You got to have you have to have the biggest of each category. You can't like in Malax one time. So if you would have caught a twenty eight though, that day, if you'd got an over or two's twenty one, if I would have got a twenty six and only had in it, without even that other one, I would have won. I didn't lose by that much. I think I lost by three or four pounds, but who's still a cool experience and that's that's a lot of mental money, you might want to say. But so let's go the other way. Let's get a big fish molax. It's full of fish, but that slot is really tough out there. And when I did in Flw League and MOLEX, I nobody was getting anything over twenty eight. Now that's how big they had to be, over or under seventeen or under eighteen again. So I was all fishing. You catch so many big fish. I caught one that that's another twenty six. It was at twenty eight and a quarter. So I measured it to and I can't believe I got one. I threw in the well, then I threw in seventeen a quarter, another one, and then I start throwing back sixteen and a half and seventeen s because I'm just waiting for perfect ones. And then they stopped biting. And from eleven o'clock until three o'clock I want every corner that lake. And it ended up keeping S and and I missed her by just ounces and I ended up in second place. So is it bad? It's what it is. Right, saw a second. Second place is good decision making, right. I mean you're right on Monday, you're wrong on Tuesday. It will. I'm just lucky to have that fish and the winter had a perfect stringer of unders in and there their real nice ones, but I would have crushed it. I mean it could have well,...

...you know, gone through, but I I sort of those fish out. So when I was at doubles, like when time at at one of the championships, I kept a big fish right away and it was a thirty incher nose, a no brainer as my first drop. And that fish I had the coangular went to net it and he hooked my puppet mental on the outside of the fish's mouth on the net taking. So you didn't know what to do. And then we're in big ways and I said all you can do now is roll it like a tennis racket and flip in the boat. So he said, what do you mean? I said turn it underneath them and flip it in a boat. And he flipped it and it landed on the railing and it rolled inside and, Oh my God, here was here. He was useless for about for about twenty minutes. The Guy's heart must have been racing. I know he sat down smoke like five cigarettes and I said you can got to get back in the game, Buddy. And and while he was doing that, I netted my own fish a couple of times and I was like to talk after that. All that never happened to me before and when you hear that, you know, s hey, I'm going to tell you right now as a guy who's guided, I don't know, pushing five thousand days or something insane. At this point, you do not let anyone touch them. That like, I'm not. I probably let to drive my truck before than that. I mean, and I use am I use a big night full. Different deal in what you're doing, but things that I've seen with people. If you want to have a video of just screw up, just hand somebody and no, I don't care if they think they know what they're doing or not. They you know, the first thing to do is they stick in the water or they don't realize the drag and, oh my gosh. Well, and it happens fast. It happens fast. You Catching Pike out there catching but the first fish was just a monster and we got it and then we there again. So I kept everything and then it was a good tournament day too. Wasn't quite as good when things laid down, but there was so rough that you could have actually knocked your windows off under a bridge that normally is if you stand, you'd have to stand in a ladder to touch when you're going up. You think you're going to lose your windows under this bridge. Coming into from Beata Bay. But what an amazing fishery and tournaments are fun. There an excuse, by the way. That's a good place to lose a whole lot of puppet mental straight there is. Yeah, any probably need you jump in there because that back. I know about that spot and there's probably about tenzero. I'm already stuck down there. You're probably snagging on other ones well. And you know on that that famous spot at takeoff off that road whatever, I was pulling up something. It was coming and I'm like, well, Geez, I hope this ain't like, you know, a dead cow or something out here, and I'm bringing it up and a boat won't buy a really fast and really close in one of the tournament boats gave me a little bit of a wake and the rod shot out of my hands. And with braid, you get to the end of the tournament, you don't have no floor carbon leader anymore and you put a floor. Carbon leaders have a place to break your line. So I'm using a twelve pound braid and when that boat went by, just about knocked me out of my boat. The Rod shot out of my hands and I watched it on my humming bird go all the way out to the bottom. I like who close to catch it, and I bet you it would have been a pile of jig style baits and I was hoping to get it just to see what it was. And yet we already had our fish and the bolt was covered in blood and in slime and all of our towels were slammed up. And I just remember being at this bridge and you think you're going to be the only one or two or three boats, and I had nine boats next to me and you had to defend your ground. I had a rock under me and I wasn't letting anybody on it. I got a couple twenty, six is really fast, and some of nineteen. So you're happy. Spotlock was really helpful right now, nowadays. Back then it wasn't, and you you're in heavy wind and by the time it adjusted you'd been banging off both. You couldn't use the old one the new one. I could have sat there and I could have had lunch, you know,...

...after I got my fish and and you don't want to give up your spot, but anyway. So you know you're you're racing to these areas. You're in giant waves and there's people hitting and knocking off their lower units here and there in but you know, it's still an absolute blast. And what I take with me on this in this tournament I was moving my puppet metals really slow and I was bringing them in the boat, and none of the other pro seen this, but in little like cool whip type of bowls I had sent so I could bring in my puppets at the same time, dip them and then drop them back down and then I instead of ripping it, people were ripping them. Were Catching Pike after Pike after Pike and they're dealing with Pike and the Pike. We're going all over the place and they moved him slow and Ki Walleyes. So but you know, if okay, let's back up, let's back out, because this is a tip here. I'm going to steal the what kind of scent where you doing that? You're dipping in a bowl that's stand on. Back then I was actually I was using Dr Juice. Oh yeah, I got some night which I just poured it. I just squeeze it in and if a wind gusts would have hit it, my bolt would have stunk for a year. That's off as nasty. It's nasty, but I dunked it in there and just moved a slow in the water was murky and churned up and I have boats all around me and these fish are swimming through this field of lines, but as moving him slow and then when soon as you hit the bottom you got to pull it away, otherwise you've lost. Because there's fabric under the bridge with rocks and Lyne draped all over. She had a touch and get out of there. And then, of course, never gave it as a tip. But I upsized my trouble hooks and I you know, I put some just one size up gamma cats with troubles on the bottom of those. But we can go on. And why do the manufacturers not do that? I don't. I do it on every single one of ie because if I don't, it's just I don't want to do that where I'm catching eater walleyes or not in a tournament, because you're probably not going to lose them anyway. But in that situation, with all that wave, all that action and that that's a big money fish, you want to get it up there. And but when I'm pitching in a in your old guiding or if you're old fishing, you're going to lose them. I don't know about that. I se giant ones. Maybe you know I but you know I'll upsize lake at a wood, where you're at, obviously, but if I'm on a lake where I know I'm not going to catch anything over twenty three inches, I don't need that big hook because sometimes we're catching jumble perch mixed in and it. It's just a little bit more hardware and that thing. So there's a time in a place and I even size him up, like when I go to lake at a woods and you are going to catch big fish. If you fish hard up there, you're going to catch some some you know fish. You can get to thirty plus or not every time, but sometimes you catch multiples over twenty eight and there's a lot of slot fish and they got a big job on and you catch piked it are over forty inches. So I upsize there. But you know, if there's an area where there's perch and other stuff, I don't want that big hook. You know you're just don't need to. So not. That kind of brings up another question. So do you think you're just simple things like that? Trouble hooking me and you do a lot of product design and work with companies with that you, I know. I need honest Bron now. Don't lie to me. I'm going to have a hook a lie detector test up to you and producer to shoot you. Do you think that the companies are worse or better about listening to stuff? Now it's they there's a renaissance now. I would say that like in lures, might come my company with their northland tackle. They are all there. Is Much as you want to give to him. The the'll pick up. But they've always been like that. You know, in all my companies they listen. In...

...electronics companies they got engineers. Never you just to meet him in the past. Now now you know who they are. They want to know everything. Now I think there's a progressiveness to it and and they all want the same thing, something that's just catch. A catch as a wicked amount of fish in and I'm seeing it more than ever. But it was always there, but they're it's it's the race to be the best, I think right now, and so trying to improve on something in different categories is harder. In electronics there's been a conveyor belt. But now the conveyor belt is getting tougher because we're bending technology, we're we're inventing technologies that you take forward viewing. Humming bird made their own technology because everything else was patented. So you got to give them the cred they are. They're cutting edge in their engineers are way out there. And what are they got to come next? A lot more, but in tackle. And how do you reinvent a fish house? How do you reinvent a tip up? How do you reinvent a Rod? You know, and there's, you know, in rods themselves. There's a bunch of rods. They all come from the same origin. They just spending pain them differently here in give him a cool name. But who makes the rods from scratch? WHO has your own? You know, it's the technology, you know, the blank materials. You know, it's crazy. That's the but you so when you started you kind of threw some you threw some big ones in there. But we'll back up, you know, forward facing so on or whatever, like megalive, like yeah, we run, we're running hummingbird megalive. That is just, I don't know, I think even more so to me than side imaging. This is a technology that if you're not using it the next few years, you were going to get drastically left behind. Is that Fav I absolutely agree with you. And you know, I didn't really do tournamentses here, but when I could pick out which fish is the biggest one. There's a screen snapshot from earlier tonight. I had a big wallet come in and did I get them? Yeah, I got a picture of him, but yeah, you know, if you're in a tournament and you you're going along with side imaging. I had sighed imaging and I only did a couple tournaments last just last year, because I didn't have for viewing and and I was waiting for my company. But the the people who are out there who had side imaging, which see three walleys and the other boats were picking off the biggest of the three wallets. See The difference. You just want to get one of the three and they're picking off the twenty seven while you're casting into the two S. that's the difference. And they're also fishing in ten feet of water, four to five feet down and setting the hook without looking at the rod tip er their bobber just it's it's crazy. And you look at like a Hummingbird, or even me, and you were starting to put this on the social media stuff, to to be able to swatch the fish swim at you and see. I mean, let's talk of all this. Let's just talk about me and you. How many? How many hours did we spend trying to learn something, or just how many fish did we before me and you use some experience to switch to a different lur or locations or whatever, trying to get in the bite where you can look down immediately know, hey, if they don't want a puppet mental today, they want that. Yeah, and you can. You can just see. It's really cool. And here's me just trying to hold the of the phone and Jake to a school of Perch. That's it. Then there's a fish coming up the hole, but as you see me land at Watch, watch the the Voracious School of Perch. You could see, okay, that's how good a camera guy am. Okay, right there. They're all ways for it to come down and you could see. I tell you, but don't seem to me. One of the biggest advantages of this, aside...

...from being able to pick out the fish, obviously, is when fish are like hell know with your presentation whether it's the type of Bait Right. Yeah, it is absolutely the truth and it's just fun and you know it's you can see that. You can see how they act and we always get real fidgety. If they want it, they'll circle around. And you didn't see that. Traditionally done a hummingbird. Are Not hummingbird. On the aqua view you'd see it disappear around you and come and then if you had the quad camera, which you gotta know, you could see what it's doing. But still here you could see even past your field of view it's coming around. You're like here it comes, and then just coming through, you continue doing your Jig and Caden's and then as it comes close and it touches it, you just slowly starts jigging it away and boom they take it. And that's that's what I had to do here for for my wallways past couple nights. And where would you have that without this? And I like here's I don't care what anybody's got. You can do all these comparisons or anything. I'm walking around where the Helix Eight Gfour Gfour N and and I could walk around the things light in the new shuttle where the lithium battery and it's got more pixels. It's a clear thing and I've got my transducer and no black box. I've got the stick and I've got this light unit. So you and I know I had a guy who had this other unit and it's just this great big thing and in this and he's got all kinds of stuff going on. It's heavy and you know, people are leaving him at home if they get to bulky. So I think the we all want to eat screens and now we're going back. Yeah, Song, you can't even fit them in the milk tree or anything. You know right, no, no, you can't. And so carry around a ten or twelve or fifteen inch screen for a few trips and then carry a helix eight g four in and the for now that you could use a three or four. The for is it's just so great and it's it's so clear. In the thing with humming bird, as you get improvements, they'll give you updates and you could bluetooth them right out of your unit. So the customer service and the the mapping, the lake master come on. It's it's a No. But there's the deal right there. I mean, I don't care if you're were, I'm out of we're here at probably one of the biggest advantages. What the hummingbird all around is lake master. I mean they're mapping is just crazy good. I mean me and you both know there's a lot of guys on the bastroom that I'll have a hummingbird even fair sponsored by a come competitor in your company. Go put that thing up underneath their to hide it, because you know, if you're ledge fishing or something down south, you just you pretty much have to have that type of mapping and without it you're in deep duty. Absolutely and I see it all the time and and I tell you, you know different. You know I leave my trucks unlocked and him at a gas station or different places. When I mega's in there, I lock it and I watch from the window because I love using that thing. And it okay, even forward mode. It's it's fantastic. When you looking for croppies, we can have no croppies left. That's how good it is. You can see him and it shows. You could tell the size and you can see out in the distance and landscape. I haven't had a whole lot of chance to use it yet. I can't wait to use it perch fishing and shallow water, but in download spectacular the field of views amazing. You got somebody nearby, like I have had there, maybe six eight feet away and I could watch her Jig it ten feet away. I can watch your Jig, you can see your live bait moving. It's it's pretty good. In My, you know, my somewhat limited use of it, it's about twenty five feet. You're really good. Like yeah, well, and a lot of times I'm fishing in ten feet of water. Leech, CASS, Winnie, Red Lake...

Lake, in a woods I'll be in twenty two to thirty two as winner progresses out keeper, but I might come back when everybody's off on the mud. I come back because all that real estate is brand new and you're fishing muscle most of the time ten or fourteen feet of water. You could see you know it's not a pike because I see a backfin where a pike. It's just as big missile coming through and doing the stair down and but when I get into the twenties and S it'll still be a blast. But you know, just getting used to the unit is important that you got a whole bunch of people out there that am using for viewing and they might be experts on it now. They're winning tournaments, but they've had it more than two years. You know, it's a new technology and so it's it's takes getting used to it. In in everything's going to change and things get simpler. Like it doesn't get any simpler than a transducer wire stick in your unit compared to what everybody else is logging around. So the world is anticipating it and it is excited about it. You and you know there's a there's a few comparatives. There's no comparison with the number of things you can do with the humming bird in and I have clients that I want to you know, through their thing. But here's the million dollar question, because me you're a hundred percent of the same page. But I'm interest to hear your answer because I get asked this all the time. People always say, you know, do I need a camera or do I need a I'm going to say electronics. So whether it's megalive or Helix flasher or what ice fifty five, whatever, but a camera verse regular electronics. When are you using one of the other. You know, because I know people. To me it's both, but everybody knows. If you had to have one, I think I personally would have electronics, not a camera. But where you using each one? Or maybe the camera bes as well. I never leave home without a knock view and this was one of the reasons in when you're fishing panfish, you simply you can use your meg alive. Now I could look for a greater distance and then go drop it down view. You're watching the Blue Gill come up and grab your wax room but it doesn't have your Hook and then the second gulp it's got the hook. You set the hook so you don't miss any fish and then you could see if they're Blue Gills, rock bass or crop he's or whatever. You can look for spot on the spot, like I can look for hard bottom in for viewing mode with my meg Alife, but I can go over there with the aqua view and see them that hard bottom. There's a log and I'm going to fish right here, not so close that they go into the Zebra Muscle log and wrap you, because you're going to lose Wallece, Pike, Bass, whatever you like under that log acta view gets you a spot on the spot, but you watch fish bite and unleached lake, the waters clear, the walleys come up. I use a micro revolution and got it down there and downview mode and I could see the fish come up. I look to my humming bird because I can see him in the distance and I know it's coming. Then I look to the aquaviw screen and it's multi views, what I call it, and so I can use both in conjunction to each other, so I'm not looking at a dead space on the active when the Walley is in there. When he comes in, you're looking on this screen. You go over here and it's fantastic and you can you can change your jigging cadences depending on how the Walley Reacts Your Bait The wall. He's doing a stare down it's it could come and kill it or it's just it not quite sure, it's not ready to eat, and if it swims away and doesn't come back, that fish are coming back in a little bit. I see it all the time and you can see they have a blameates of wealth to cold water work and that's the same fish you kitch later. So they do what you call a drive by button fishing and again Rafer, Yep, that the drive by Walley's going through. And...

...then they if they circle around right away, you're going to catch that fish, because soon as they circle around they're coming in to attack. So it's like an air airplane landing at an airport. They have to approach it just right and so it comes up and they're going to hit your Jig and it's just amazing. You learned so much from both. But the Aquavi will really gives you you know, nate, it's like using your eye when you're down there. But if you're in dark water you can still have silhouettes. If you're running and gunning. If I'm I'm looking for fish and weeds. I like to you don't put infrared on an aqua you and you can see croppies. They flash real platinum and bright and shiny and it's a real good way to find them. But now mega luck. Here's the thing. They're both so good. Meg Alive. You see movement along the weed strands, so you know it's there. And more and more a camera is gonna it's gonna positively identify things down there. You know, like when I was in cascade last year. We drop the camera down the hundred percent knew that these perch, these balls like you just showed on the graft there on your little save deal from tonight. They were just like three or four inch perch, but there was like fifty on and so they look like, you know, clump some bigger fish. Or maybe it's the type of weeds or the bottom or something. But so most people listening to this podcast, or Whal I a purse, guys through the ice, at least by the questions and stuff that we get. Yeah, if you were in deeper than twenty feet of water, what would be the aqua view camera to look at their we should think about what model. Well, you know, if you're fishing, if you want to be real stealthy and you want to run and gun and you want to fish off a bucket or or stand, I'd use micro revolution. But the HD seven has a green screen remover which takes out any it has a program which makes your picture clear and you can see better and it's almost like spy game stuff. So hd seven is nice. You can plug it to a big screen if you got a wheelhouse. But, more importantly, even I like it woods where you really the cameras don't really work up there. I'm like, you want to see and I gave one to mark Ernisson to walk around with last year. He couldn't believe you could see a long ways. It all depends what the freeze up did. If the mud gets kicked up really bad, it takes well to settle down. The water looks like chocolate milk. Well, which if you can't see with your naked eye, what do? You can still see silhouettes going to buy. So I'd say if I had to pick one, I really like the micro revolution five and then whalwayes are not afraid of it and some fish are actually bite on it. But if you want to see the best image possible, the HD seven rocks. It's just amazing. It's an open water, so you got both seasons. You don't use them. The micros okay and open water if you're still fishing, but the HD seven you could hook up weights then you could use it in Detroit River. You could use it on an eerie and you could put a lot of weight. You could click on a bunch of weights in a thin and you can really cook down a sand bar and see it's early there thinks those cameras have just come crazy far. And same thing with like the humming bird, you know, meg alive, and even you know it wasn't that many years ago. As using a nice fifty five, I think it is and I still do. But they Felix's are what the flasher is just but the CHIRP. It's just crazy. And I hear guys all the time at Suminars, I'm sure you do too, that I go you don't need all that fancy stuff, man, it sure does help you. I mean it just helps. There's no just you can't question that. If you say it doesn't, it's because you haven't used them. If you're fishing then it don't matter, but if you're fishing against the group of animals that I fished against in the tournaments, it is a big game changer. In now it's like a statistic when you hear how many people were in this tournament of a hundred boats that actually didn't have for viewing any Dore. Oh,...

...there was four of them that landed in the money, you know, but they're never at well, some could be at the top, but heather and I did the falls best championship and we ended up in eighth place. We had side imaging and three hundred and sixty we didn't have for viewing and we got it. Now Watch out. That's it. That's a quite a field there. I mean Gussie wasn't in it this year, but we had a lot of there's some, you know, he's a bad US master guy. There's other touring bass people. We do it because it's fun. All right, producer, dude, I'm going to ask him. You know, I'm going to ask him right now. See share a story, no hiss tip to leave us with. Okay, okay, producer. Did we have a we're going to buy a dollar on this answer. Bro A lot of guys choke on this when I say any rather here. Good to one or not? Now? Yeah, he stepped right up to when he went, Oh okay, he was like ready to go. So, okay, I was your dollar tonight, because I know you got this. You need to leave us because we could meet and you could talk all night, but okay, leave us with one good, really good tip, like ice fishing, open water, doesn't matter. That is so why isn't people talk about this? Well, here's the thing, here's what I can throw it. Throw this to you. When I fish, and I recommend doing this, don't go to the bottom, then fish your way up. Start at the bottom of the ice and fish your way down. I'm using sponge and I like egg under the ice. Refract metallic colors off the ice, which looks like a school of Mintos. Draw fishing from the distance and if you got a buddy you want out fish them. So big flashy spoon in a northland spoon for me and I'm going to have coffin spoon or something and I'm gonna drop it incrementally and fish can see from a distance and you could see over, they could see over weaves. Know remember there could be something in their way. So jigging up high draws in fish from a distance and then as you get closer to the bottom, they're already anticipating their feeding and they're going to approach it. So sometimes you'll if you're fishing in twenty feet of water, you get hit when you're eight nine feet off the bottom and then, because that fish hit high, other fish see it from a distance and see the fighting battle and perch, it's you're plucking the star off the top of the Christmas tree. And croppies the same here in croppies, and that's one of the things I coined many years ago. But in perch that fight, in Bluegills, that fight draws a mean and walleyes get excited on other walleyes fight, and I've seen it many times. Fish from the bottom of the ice down. Try it and use a spoon. And that was an amazing tip and I know that to be true as well. Now only was that a good tip, producer, dude heat, that was a really good explanation like that was like a doctorate level explanation. Yeah, that's good stuff. And Open water works also, and we're finding out more and more that wallets are on the bottom when they're feeding. That is a fact. They hang out there, but not when they chewing. And now those same spoons work. And Open water we limited all many days this year over seventy degrees. Pitching coffin spoons and jigging them through sandgrass were other like puppets and things would gather up the grass. These you could loft better in the spoons tumble and they do something different. But I noticed when you Jigg a spoon, sometimes it go this or that way. I think sometimes when that spoon goes back at them they slam it in one's great when they're chasing perch in the crayfish start molting and there's bug hatches. They're grabbing stuff out of the water column. But it's a crayfish molting period. You can catch him on spoons. You don't have to drag harnesses have as the coffin spoon is like a buckshot that glides people, and that is a it's a naughty spoon, that's for sure. If your perch fish, I know you want the robugspoon. Remember, perch...

...taste good too, they do. I want to thank you for giving us your time there. No, we kept you up a little bit there because we both got to get on the water tomorrow, but really appreciate your time and some of that good insight with ice and beyond. Hey, let me know if you get ice there. You know I don't mind walk it along way's either. So if you get some mice, don't forget to let me know. I know a guy I'll give you a ride. Okay, you guys, have a great night and be safe. We don't need statistics to hurt our sport. No, thanks for tuning into the big water podcast on Ross Robertson with my buddy Brian, the Poe roast all make sure you check us out a big water fishingcom, big water fishing on Instagram, facebook, Youtube, and then you can check out this podcast for big water fishingcom and Youtube, or if you go for the digital downloads on Stitcher, spotify, Google and Apple. I think I get them all. Remember. With that we are out.

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