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Bigwater Fishing with Ross Robertson
Bigwater Fishing with Ross Robertson

Episode 41 · 2 months ago

Jay Siemens - Outdoors YouTuber - Uncut Angling

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The search for a perfect picture is like the pursuit of a flawless fish – a seemingly impossible task packed with enough challenge to bring photographers and anglers back day after day. It is this exhilarating chase of perfection that drives Jay’s work. Armed with a rod in one hand and a camera in the other, Jay’s love for photography was born on lakes, ponds, and wherever his chase for the next bite would take him. His desire to digitally represent the world around him began with 50” Muskies and 12-lb Walleyes. Jay recognizes that a good camera is to photography what a good rod is to fishing – a necessary tool that is nearly useless without a deep and balanced understanding of the craft. Jay’s keen eye for visual composition and his experience working professionally in the field provide him with the foundation to succeed in a talent filled industry.  

In the fall of 2011, Jay’s camerawork helped launched the birth of Uncut Angling. Uncut has gained 200,000+ subscribers and over 45,000,000 views on Youtube. It provides viewers an exceptionally raw and real perspective, capturing the chase of trophy fish. In the Spring of 2018 Jay formed Thrive Visuals, his own production company specializing in the outdoor world. Specifically fishing and hunting content creation. They have had the honour of working with such brands as Travel Manitoba, Honda, and Alumacraft Boats. At the same time as Thrive Visuals was launched Jay decided it was time for another creative outlet and decided to put more focus into producing content for his personal YouTube channel. 

The channel quickly rose to over 40,000 subscribers and is an outlet for him to share and teach of his loves of fishing, hunting, videography, and everything in between. Jay recently made the move to Kenora, Ontario where he spends his days fishing in NW Ontario, Manitoba, and beyond. Jay prides himself on creating content that is suitable for all ages. Capt. Ross Robertson has made his complete living chasing walleye as a full time professional angler for more than 20 years. Through the years he has worn many hats including time as a fishing guide, boat salesman, TV host, outdoor writer, product designer, tournament fisherman, speaker, radio host and podcaster to name a few. Ross fishes ice-out to ice-up on the Great Lakes. He spends the majority of the year walleye fishing on Lake Erie’s Western and Central basins. Check out more from Bigwater Fishing 

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Producer. Dude, we have a little different deal. You know how I like the bus stuff on the Internet. Kids right, you have made a living at that. I would like to think I made me living catching fish, but I hear you not can so. But here's the deal. Here's this guy's been doing a long time. Ja Siemans, some guys known from Uncut Angling. He's kind of doing his own thing now and self filming and all that good stuff. But he's I'm going to tell he's got street crid like. This guy can catch them. He's kind of like the polar offism me. So I hope I don't scare him too much. He's definitely he's the least polarizing person you'll ever meet, I think, from in the fishing industry. So I'm interested to get some tips and things because he basically kind of does your job with a little fishing Gaston. He does good stuff. I mean that's something one of the channels that I've looked at, you know, looking for ideas for us and and see how he does things, for sure. So I'm interested to hear what he has to say about producing video. Yeah, and I'm going to be a little tamer than like we were with country Steve because because, okay, let's let's bring him on before he decides he doesn't want to do this, he may watch a couple of our videos and run. Ja. Siemens, welcome to the big water podcast. You know, I've been watching your stuff for a while. I've been kind of like cyberstock in you. That's good. That's people come up to men like I've been stalking you, like no, no, this is good, like I want people be watching my stuff. It's not. It's not a bad thing. So thank you. And this is our first time chatting. We've only dmed a little bit. So this, this is it. Yeah, there's a little mutual respect, or at least there is this way, you know, with what you're doing. So I don't want to like be disrespectful right out of the gate, but you know, I kind of learned about you through the uncut angling thing, so that was really yeah, that was kind of your first deal, right. Yeah, I mean I was straight out of high school and if you guys aren't familiar with uncut angling, it's a youtube fishing show. My Buddy are and we posts and I essentially was going to go to photography school and Aaron was like, do you want to drop up a school and start a fishing show with me? I was like eight, I was like eighteen or nineteen. He was twenty six or twenty five at the time and I'm like yeah, it's my dream to be part of a fishing show in some way. And we kind of hit the roadins started making youtube videos. That's like, yeah, eleven years ago already, and you know things have changed since, but yeah, that's kind of where it all started. Are you guys still doing stuff? For wife comes in the world, mostly self filming when he is doing it. So it's like killed. I mean these days it's sometimes toughed. I mean with fishing stuff in general, it's tough to always coordinate having a having a videographer right. So sometimes in the stupase it's easier just to go do it yourself, right, rather than line up a camera man and like try to schedule that. Aaron's not a very scheduled person, so it's easy for him just to take off and fell himself, and I mean, yeah, he's good at it, so I don't the last project we worked on together was a competition called thirty nine hours, and I'm sure we'll work together on on more projects, but he's mostly doing self filming. I'm doing self filming for a lot my fishing stuff right now. So, yeah, I mean again, not this is about you today, but I'm intrigued because he is just sorry. Yeah, yeah, he is like you and him. Just again, I don't know either one of you guys, but from surface value it's kind of like producer Du jump in here me and like, I don't know everybody else we film with. Like you guys are like oil and water. I mean not in a bad way, but you're just like polar opposites. Is that fair? Yeah, Aaron, Oh man, Aaron's until you spend time with him, he's just such a personality. Like he's he's such a unique dude and he always thinks it's out of the box. I think that's why his his videos have groud people's attention right because he's like just an interesting person to watch. He's funny, he's he's an unbelievable fisherman, and then he just he'll never he'll never settle right. He'll have an idea in his mind and he will just keep doing it until he he fails thirty times and then it'll finally happen or whatever might be right. Like yeah, he's he's special that way and I think, I think we're just, yeah, we're wired a little bit differently on that side of things. But yeah, now he's it's it's been a lot of it's a lot of good memories in the funny thing is is like Aaron will just drop off the face of the Earth sometimes for a couple weeks. This is something that he's done as long as I've known him, and sometimes people will contact me. They're like, so, where's Aaron Adam like I don't know. I'm like, I know Aren as good as anyone, and he will just disappear and be fishing, who knows where. He won't tell me even and like nobody knows. And then he'll resurface with some crazy video and it's like Oh, there's, there's are and for you. So yeah, so, I mean, tell us what you've been kind of doing since the uncut angling. You said we're self filming doing some of that stuff, but like what, what does that mean? Because realistically, you know, it's fun to fish and I think that's the the the I don't know if you want to call it the fourth wall or something. But when people see kind of things that we do, even though me and you do different things, we're still making a living in the fishing industry and people, I think, fail to realize like a lot of stuff that they...

...want to see, they don't really pay the bills. or I mean, yeah, you make some money maybe on it, but the time and the resources and everything, just like you said, having a camera guy, got producer dude would. Yeah, but we can't make enough money. You know, at least at this point, I don't most of us can. On you just they podcast or something like that. This is not a Joe Rogan deal. So, like what was that next step for you when you kind of said, okay, we're going to sell film, we're going to do these other things. Yeah, I mean so like the whole time when I started doing the uncut stuff, I was I was guiding. So when I was probably sitting or seventeen, I started guiding, but kind kind of different than than your deal. Like I'd be flying to flying to lodges in Northern Manitoba and Northern Saskatchewan and I would guide for seventy days straight. I'd go for like a lot of these seasons and be June twenty to August twenty, and that was entire season. So you go and you'd work every single day and you know you can't spend money because you're up there right, you're stuck in the middle of nowhere, and so you live off of you live off of that for the rest of the year, right. So that would afford me the ability to be a fifth bum the rest of the year. I could. I could work those three months and then go, you know, maybe chip away at the fishing show or do some other stuff. And in the meantime I kind of got more to photography and videography and like, if someone wants to pay the bills as a photographer, like shooting weddings is just I don't know, I don't know why it is, but people pay a lot of money to shoot weddings and that, for me, was what afforded me to buy camera gear and to, you know, start working on my youtube channels other stuff, because I'd shoot a wedding, that'd be Saturday's Sundays and then I would do some corporate works, some shooting stuff, but then, you know, get a fish, get a fish more, and then it was kind of like trying to build up, you know, the Youtube side of things for my own channel. So I started uploading to my own channel and then as that grew, I saw, okay, well, maybe I should take a couple less page jobs and focus on trying to build the Youtube Channel if it is going to become something that I could sustain myself off of. So I still do take a couple like corporate jobs here and there, but I'm trying to get to the place where it's a hundred percent just just doing youtube break because youtube is it's tough. There's a lot of people that are doing it, a lot of people wanting to do it and it's really tough to do part time. And that's something I learned from Aaron is, like as soon as people would offer him like other gigs, other jobs, he's like no, he's like, I need to put everything into youtube because that that's that's where my focus is right now, and that's that's where he wanted. He wanted to see growths. So I mean you need to put your focus into that right like you said, that's tough to do unless you have a guiding thing or some type of income. But even then, if you know you step away for three months. Yeah, that's that's same rocks. That's exactly where we're at right now. Right, and we're not quite full time on the youtube thing, so it doesn't grow quite as fast as you want. I have a wedding to do on Saturday. I mean I'm right there with the day. So it's the same boat. And to be successful on Youtube and and Ross and I've talked about this, it's it's you don't just turn a camera on and go out in the street and do something. It'd be there. There's time and you've got to put content out consistently. Yeah, that's long. It's important content out consistently, that they consistent. Part is is tough, right, because I could go fish every day, but I couldn't edit every day. My bringing would be total mush. So it's like if you can get to the point where you have an editor, then that's that's a lot more helpful to get the constant content help. But it's like yeah, for every for every day, I mean you guys know it. For every day of fishing you're editing probably for a day or two, depending on what the content is. So it's it's when people are putting on videos every two to three days. It's pretty impressive. Like I've always dreamt of doing a daily, daily uploads. Like I don't know if you guys are familiar with Casey night step, but he, like is one of my favorite you tubers and he was in New York City and he did a daily Youtube video for like it was two or three years straight, which is mind blowing. You crazy. You like didn't miss a day for like two or three years and his channel blew up, he gained he's at whatever, eight hundred and ninety ten million subs now, whatever it is, but it's just like he he knew the daily uploads were the thing and he wanted to tell that story every day and it's like I'd love to do that, but it's yeah, it's not easy. It's funny you say that about the wedding thing because a, I can answer why. It's because it's the women. It's not those guys. I'm watching this generally speaking. Producer, dude, he's are numbers, Guy, these are generally men watching. So I've only alienated like three people, not only generally like ninety nine point nine percent. Yes, yeah, we had like four women watching that. They were all disgusted, so they left. But but yeah, I mean that's I ii. There's a bunch of young guys I know, and more from the hunting side of stuff, that you don't want to get into, you know the videography and do this, and I always tell them, like, dude, do weddings, and they're like there's all these buff dudes that I oh do. I'm like, do you want to make some cash? Maybe meet some pretty ladies, get a free meal, like, Dude, quit being stubborn man. Yeah, you know what? Shooting weddings. I enjoyed...

...shooting weddings and it teaches you how to shoot on your toes and in like high stress situations. Like it's very similar to filming hunting or fishing, because you don't have retakes. You know when you screw up something in a wedding, you've missed opportunity. Same thing with fishing or hunting. This isn't a corporate job where you can like set it up again and again. So weddings teach you stress, they teach you how to deal with sometimes difficult personalities when you get like a crazy mother, the Bri I did, and and she has all these expectations of the day. So anyways, I think weddings are good. I I think you'd burn out if all you did is wedding. Some people can do that for a living, but I mean for me, it's like you shoot weddings on weekends and then you can make youtube videos and the and that's the thing with any side hustle, right. It's like if you can guide and build a youtube or, you know, shoot weddings and build your if Youtube's your goal, whatever it might be, but it's just like it's it's how much time are you willing to put in and how many evenings and weekends you willing to edit and shoot and plan the next video? And because you know, back in the day he was just listen to your podcast without lender. When he had a show like the barrier entry, you need a hundred thousand dollar camera and you need someone in an editing suite and TV was pretty much the only option. So you're pretty much like fifty two hundred grand in for air time, hundred grand for the proper you're probably a quarter million to produce a show. And now it's like I know guys that make videos just with their iphone and they edit on their iphone and the upload and they get big views. So it's like I've seen. I've seen every as where. He's had Ford Zinc on our podcast, who's a great friend of mine and pretty big deal in the hunting world. And you know, I'll sit in his office on I'm looking he's got four or five guys. You know, he's these got people full time editing for all the things he does right, not just the TV. And here he told me twenty years ago. He's like, Dude, you got to have a product to sell or this TV thing doesn't make sense. Other than that is just a vain ego deal because it just it's such a time warp. You know it as well. And then the flip of that is one of the companies I work with. The actual owner of the company put this clip out. He sends it to me and says, Hey, what do you think of this? I'm like, yeah, that's pretty good and and and I won't get it. The funny part of that is probably not appropriate for here, but nevertheless he goes yeah, he goes, you know, I paid this company to do that. And he said you like this one or this one? Like you're they're both good and he goes, well, good, because this one costs me x number of dollars have done and this one my twelve year old did on her iphone or IPAD. That's great and you know that. That's kind of the reality. But I guess that's like producer. Right now. We're going to find out how Jay is going to be. He's way more pc than me, for sure. Okay, so we're look at. Look at his face, rights, you got that baby face. He's lazy. Okay, haven't called Baby Jay. That was my nickame and a couple lodges that work. That was maybe Ja. So yeah, I could see that. I mean we got the Maybury look producer dude going on. We're going to see how he's going to be with us. So here's the milliondollar question. You were the perfect guy. When I look at stuff, and this is the example I use a lot a guide clients all the time talking in the boat. When you anybody that's that has youtube, it's it means something different for him. Some people listen to music videos, some people trying to learn something. For most of it's like hey, how to fix the Washer? I've got this, this, you know what I mean. Like that's how I probably look at it the most. I don't honestly look at a lot outdoor stuff on there. Bear with me for one second for this, but so that's that's how you look at it. You look at it and when you look for how to repair X Y Z Washer, you'll see a video come up. You're like do this guy's professional, like this guy's dialed, and then you're going to see another one with a million hits and you're like, well, Oh, let me think care of me beat a wrench, you know, and you're like how did this guy get ten views on this? Like this is ridiculous, this is zero good. And then you've got some just crazy stuff in the middle and then things the other direction. And I think it's the same thing with fishing and I know like Al Lander and a lot of guys are like the Gary Roaches and some of those old school guys that taught me a lot about the game. They've aren't going to come out on a podcast and say this, but I've had these conversations with these guys. Type of thing. We're behind closed doors that you see some of these people like producer dude. We won't throw him under the bus, but I'll privately said a few things to us. You know, about in so many words where, Hey, these guys are putting this comput out there on Youtube for just shock value, like Alice old school. I guess maybe I'm a little old school. I know this is a big build up, but you know that shock value of like like guys that have street cred that can really go fish. It's kind of like, screw you, man, and and you were at that beginning of that youtube thing. I would think it would say, you mean, you were literally a kid right when you got going with that. So having somebody that can actually catch fish and do this and like a semi professional, now professional with that. Does any of this new stuff, I don't want to say, offend you, but you just privately be honest, roll your eyes and be like do this is discrediting me a little bit? Well, it does, but it's I think some of it. You know what I look at what I upload. It's am I going to be proud of this in ten or twenty years and is this just going to be fat? I think some of those videos that are maybe more sensationalized might not have that staying power. Like that's that's what I say.

About an Aaron we videos, because some of his videos are just so crazy, like him catching Hughes, the silver play button that you get after a hundred thousand subscribers, and he put hooks in it and caught a big pike with it. It's like that video is timeless. I was involved in a video at all that was all him and it's like that's the video you could watch in five or ten years and be like this would be amazing. But if it's, you know, someone going fishing in the cops get called and it's something like that, which is just a trend that a lot. We've had that. Producer. Dude, we've had that, I'm sure. Yeah, we did have the tops are all the yeah, no, no, that's it's good. Like yeah, it's one of those things that it's maybe not as timeless. I mean I don't roll my eyes. It's like everyone's doing their own thing. If that's how they want to build their channel, that's how they can build their channel. I don't like if it. I think like once you get to maybe strapping go pros on fish and some of that stuff, it's like, you know, it maybe gives a bad look on the whole industry and I know what a bunch of people have done it and I'm not like trying to shame those people. In the right situation I might even do it. But it's just like how how far are you willing to go there? Obviously is that that line of like you want you want people to be clicking on your videos, so there needs to be some intrigue to your title. But it's like where's the line on Click Bait versus just a good title, because thumbnail on title or such a big part of it and and, like you said, some of those videos you click on it's like this video wasn't that good, but the thumbnail on the title brought you in. So I don't know, it doesn't, I don't care. Any second view, sorry, the twenty two view. Yeah, yeah, so it's but from I guess you know, I expected that answer and I think that's probably even where I sit with a little bit from a business standpoint. Now people probably listen to this or like yawning at when I say this, but from a business standpoint, you know, me and producer do did a TV show for almost a decade together, like a real deal TV show, and he's produced just all kinds of big stuff and then when we start doing this, I'm sure it sometimes he rolls his eyes right, but producers, I rolling back in the head right now like, Oh God, not him again. But when you I guess what I'm getting as like when you sit down with a company, because I know you still work with companies, even though you're not like heavily, when you sit down with the goals and the couple of the same people, we work with a few of the same people. When you sit down with those guys, they kind of go youtube channel, specially if they're older than us, like they don't, maybe even not see the impact. But I think a lot of it is and that's the reason I kind of asked the question, like I wasn't just trying to throw stuff on the wall. It's like, yeah, I think what you're saying about companies is like there are people that get big views doing sensationalized stuff, and I think there it depends what their intentions are. Some some people say, I don't want to change, you know, just for I don't want to change just for Youtuber, for whatever might be. But the thing is big companies probably are going to want to touch you if you're if you're too edgy, right, if you're doing something questionable, they probably won't want to necessarily sponsor you, depending on the company. Right. So it's like some of these people might be doing sensational stuff. It's great, but unless they build their own company, they might not be able to get a sponsorship. Right. They could build their own brand, but if the third party brand like Shmanno wants to come in and they have a bunch of obscene stuff on the Youtube Channel, Shamanti probably won't want to touch them. Right. So it's like you need to be getting really big views to be able to make a living off of youtube without sponsors. And it's there's there's only, I would say, a handful of people living in that top tier that that can make a living just off of the views alone. I don't know if I can make a living just off the views alone. Like the sponsors are pretty important, right. So interesting. Yeah, I just think you know, some of the guys when they look at that those companies, they don't it seems to kind of devalue what it is, you know, when everybody's doing it at d values a little bit, but then also when that there seems to be a little bit of a negative connotation to it at this point as right, and totally answer your question there. Yeah, I mean it's it's interesting because it's like youtubes around, like, I mean Aaron and I started in two thousand and eleven, and even then I was like hey, could we get? Could we get free, Free State your combinations to film a video, and people like, Oh, you just have youtube channels ago. No, sorry, you can pay full price. And it's just like in something like that, which I don't necessarily think as a huge ask, but now they're still people ten years later and it's like, well, we're not we're not sure. If we're not sure, if we can do that, it's like that, I want to help promote you, like please. And then it's it's yeah, they don't watch youtube, right, so if unless they have kids to watch youtube, if they're not in the space, they don't understand. And right they're like, Oh, if it's a TV show, will definitely take you for your TV show. If you youtube, I don't know right. So I explaining tick tock to a client. Tick Tock. Yeah, I know I haven't. I haven't Selt tick talk to client yet. Yeah, but yeah, tick tocks a different one too, and it's one of those things that's like, oh, I don't need to join tick tock, I don't need to join tick Tock, and then it just keeps getting momentum and it's like same thing with Youtube. Youtube, at the starting I don't keep you on Youtube, and then now, at a certain point, it's like it's tougher and tougher every year you wait to join...

Youtube. There's that many more fishing creators, there's that much more noise you have to navigate through. So yeah, this this guy over here you're talking to, was on early and then stopped during the gross train wreck. What a train wreck. He was on in two thousand and eleven and then he stopped making videos and about two thousand and sixteen for a while, right when it blew up. So that's why we're playing catch up now. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think there's that. You know, probably I got an old school mentality a little bit and I'm like Hey, I'm going to go fish and show them what I got type of thing, and we'll do a little bit of this, but it's so hard. You know, like are one of the last podcasts we shot that hasn't run yet. You know, me and producer do. I said, it takes a village, you know, to do to even for my business. I don't have a big business, but there's a lot of guys that are involved to make this happen. Rather, it's the guys will help with the rigging stuff. You know, I do all my own stuff, but it's still it's just, you know, a guy there when you know the boat comes in on Tuesday and you got to shoot on Thursday. You know, like me and you have both shot some mediator stuff and you know, the stuff hits the fan. You know, I've got a camera boat driver. It's been with me for twenty years that like he makes a difference, you know, and me. So just stuff like that. I don't think people realize the the full depth of what's going on here, and that's why I was kind of trying to dig in and see, especially with you doing so much of it yourself. I mean, Oh man, there's there's times where, even after doing it for a bunch of years, it's just the stupidest things, like, you know, a memory card just fails, or like the camera wasn't rolling when you thought it was rolling, or hard drive crash is. I've been pretty lucky with a lot of that stuff, but it has happened and it makes things difficult. If you've a dedicated cameraman watching everything, that helps when you're trying to do yourself and you're trying to fish and all that. It's it's an extra challenge. But I also like, I love it when it all comes together, but it's just so frustrating with things go wrong, you know, when it's like something so small and so whether it's the gout just me. It's not just me. No other happens to other people. I tell him on camera producer dude sucks all the time, but he really doesn't. But he needs to be taken down on. Anytime I give them a compliment, Jay, it's absolutely out the window, whether it's as ego or something massively goes wrong and I'm like, I'm not talking do nice anymore, and that's that's almost truthful. So how about some you know kind of along that lines of you know, you doing all this this self filming, like I just got back from a trip to Louisiana. I sell filmed it, you know, and and in some aspects I think it's almost better because, you know, like producer Dudes, not a hardcore fisherman. Like that's not his deal with and that's not his background. So there's some aspects where it's way better because of what he has on others it's not. But like for him that, you know, to give him this footage now and he's going to put it together for us, you know, and not being there, he can't grasp that whole thing. So I think that's a challenge. But what are what are some tips with you know, self filming for the guy out there, whether it's a guy like me, a guy trying to do something, or maybe it's some young kid that says, Hey, I'm going to try to breach into the fishing in industry this way. Yeah, what makes that? What have you learned the hard way that you can shorten the curve for these guys? I think just trying to simplify things as much as possible because the end of the day, keeping your camera recording, keeping one camera with good audio recording, is more important than for cameras and drones and Slomo and everything else. I love to play with all those things because I'm a producer, but at the end of the day, if you can make sure that one cameras hooked up to a battery and it's filming in one thousand and eighty quality, that's great. But as soon as, like, people like, Oh, you got to film it in K, you got to color grade, if you got to do this, it's like all those things that you stack are just going to work against you and your favor right, like if you're filming in K, your batteries are going to die faster and like then you're going to need more memory cards and all that stuff. Right. So it's just like I think you need to tell your story and focus on your you know, your storytelling, and then just, yeah, keep keeping it basic. There will be time to add more cameras and to get more complex, but you need to just kind of nail the basics first before you try to do anything faster. Because I know if people, like I said, people that just use their I phone, you can use your iphone. I filmed a video two years ago and I did I filmed the whole thing with the iphone and halfway through the videos like hey, guys, I film this video with my iphone. That's like the most common question, I guess, is like what camera should I get if I want to get into videography, and it's like whatever you can afford. You know, iphones are so good. They film for K they like if you know they're about audio, though. What about the audio with the IPHONE? What are you doing for that? So I wear something. I might even have one decide in here. You don't. You probably on the audio or I don't know if this videos part of the podcast, but this is something I wear. It's called the Task Cam. It's called the cat, task can dl tenor and it's this little box. It's like two inches by two inches and this thing just scortes to a Micros D card. So that thing I just clip onto myself and it's disconnected from my phone, it's disconnected from go pros. It's just as an individual audio source. Certain records to Micros K card. I clip that on and that just rolls all day. I made the switch batteries one so whether you're filming with the go pro or an iphone or any camera, it's like then you have professional audio for like two hundred bucks, clipped...

...onto your clipped onto your sweater, because otherwise, if you try to use a shotgun Mike on the top of your camera, which a lot of youtubers use, which is great for Sarahs of lots of people and moving around. As soon as there's wind, the audio just goes out the door, and that's like the biggest things I tell people. Like the audio needs to be better than your video, because people are going to turn off the video if it's just wind noise. Like I think this is the case with all of us when we started making videos. But like you've a couple cool clips and you put like a Motley crew song underneath it and that's your edit. It's like just there's no audio, there's just some rock and roll music and a guy reeling in a fish, right, but if you could have audio and personality, that's what people want to see, right, they want to hear you talk and they want to learn. So that's why having some sort of somewhat professional audio, like you could use your iphone on a calm day, but if you can spend the money, just buy a mic. I would tell people to buy a good mic before they buy a better camera, because if you've good audio, then no matter what the wind is, I can hear you're talking and you could just sink it up with your iphone later St just so so besides the Ifo thing, let's say, because there's probably a lot of people out here that are at the iphone and the GOPRO or whatever action cam level right, but they're probably trying to get to that next thing. And again, as I cyberstock Jason Ends, I've seen some pretty fancy gear that you have for sale as you mess with stuff and you're buying more and trying things out. So, let's say they don't have a producer dude like I do. Yeah, that's that's the reality. So when you're in between that, they're trying to make that next little jump. What are the what's? What's the gear that you're like, you're pretty much have to have this, and this is kind of like Christmas gift. You might want to try to get this. Oh, I mean whatever camera you use. If you're going to like the next step would probably be a mirrorless camera. mirrorless cameras are kind of taking over these days, but something that has a selfie screen that flips towards you. There's a lot of years rose filming with it a normal like a cannon rebel. It didn't have that selfie screen that flipped out. But you want to be able to see, you know, if you're holding a fish out to the camera, where it's fitting in the frame. So any I'm felling of the Sony a seven has three, which is, I think, like a threezero dollar camera, but any of those Sony mirrorless series with the flipboat screen, that's going to just make your life so much easier because then while you're fishing you can look over at the screen and monitor things. The biggest things you want to monitor while you're fishing. Right if you don't have a screen, the flips out, you can't tell if it's recording, you can't tell if the audio is bouncing up and down or if it's like low on battery. So I'd say that's something that's pretty important. And and then I think you just need to spend the time to rig whatever type of fishing you're doing. Spend a couple days in the shop beforehand figuring out, okay, this is how I'm going to rig it up in my boat. That might be rigging a monopod onto a sea post. That's that's the type of camera mount as a lot of time. So as long as the boat has a sea post. I can drop that that monopod in there and then the camera goes on top and it's filming me and my tiller a lot of the time, or I can turn around. So it's like figuring out what what riggings going to help me the most in my in my situation is once I'm fishing, you don't want to be messing with gear. The more the more complex it gets. Once you're fishing, then you're going to say screw this, I don't want to mess with the camera gear and you're just going to stop filming. That's that's I think the most common thing is people's memory cards fill up or their battery dies and they're like a I'm done, I'm not filming anymore. I just want to catch fish, because everyone wants to catch fish. When they go all right, well, and see that. And that's to me and that's absolutely before me and producer, dude, we're doing exactly what we're doing all like the TV shows, the TV show. My question for you, words, the producer, to we're going to find out right now. This is attempt number two. Is Jay going to be honest and not completely pc with us here? Is when you're fishing and you're filming. Yes, again, I do that, different level, different thing. That for deal what. I'm not had a go using any but but when you're doing that, at whatever level, does it suck the life out of you at some point and you're like, I just want to fish, I'm not enjoying us be honest, a don't lie to me. Know What, whenever I have those moments where it's like, Oh, this is sucking the life out of me, I'd rather just turn the cameras off, then I'm like man, people would be killing to be doing what I'm doing right now. Like I realize how lucky am to be. You know, what are the few people? It's able to do the youtube thing right now and it's like I can't complate it. All those times where it's tough, like work is always there sounds where you guide, where it's great. There's Times where you go at guiding your prob like I really don't want to be on in the water today, but the end of the day it's like I gotta go at fishing today. How sweet is that? I could be stuck in a desk job hating my life, and I think you just have to like keep that in mind. And then there's there's I think you need to make time for yourself to to go do those activities without cameras. I would say ninety five percent of the time I'm I'm not filming, but you know, like now, my last couple hunts, I'll be like yeah, I'm going to your hunting. I want this just I just want to enjoy this for myself. I'm not going to film it. I think those moments are important too. But aren't you worried that? Let me interrupt you, because aren't you a little worried, though, because like this, this this wheazing on a trip, which I kind of talking about, but you know, we pretty much know when you go. It's kind of like going to Lake Erie, where I like, like you pretty much know it's probably going to happen. If you're there a few days, like at some point you're going to miss something and you want to miss something and, like I for me that was a getaway because I didn't if I don't catch them or something doesn't happen to Louising on it, it doesn't change anything. Sponsors don't care, there's no guide, clients, there's nothing on a line. But...

...of course producer dudes like man, let's get this film, let's get this film. It doesn't make sense to take him down there. That's just a lot of logistics. He's much better off doing stuff here. Realistically, for what we're doing this point, just being way transparent. But yet that same point I'm like, you know what, like you said, I look at it. Maybe I'm not quites producer real definitely back. I'm not quite as positive as you, and not as I'm half empty and staff full, but I'm like, I kind of want to do my own thing, but I don't want to miss it. I don't want to miss it. I mean I think if you were solely relying on a youtube income, then that might feel a little bit different too. You know what I mean? Because for me, like the difference been getting a video or not, is like that. That is my main source of income right I would say guidance probably your main source of income right now. Yeah, maybe not, but yeah, okay, okay, yeah, I'm not trying to paint you into a certain picture. For All I know Youtube's your biggest surse of income, but just producer dude is definitely not. I promise, definitely not. I think it's just, you know, I know that if I upload, that's that's how I'm paying the bills is uploading. So it's like that does set an extra fire under you. When I don't have weddings to fall back like, I'm not booking weddings anymore. I think I shot my last wedding ever last week and my sister's wedding, and I'm like, Hey, I'm done, I'm retired right. So if I had weddings fall back on, maybe I'd be more likely to be like okay, well, I don't really care about as much about this video. But now it's like no, you'd like I'm trying to we note that other that other stuff as much as possible. So it's like I'll still do a couple corporate jobs to like just youtube and then and then it's OK, like every every video is important, you know. So with that set, I know this is like a cliche dumb question producer dude, but bear with me on this one, because he's going to roll his eyes not surprised. What is like your dream situation then, because it just, like you said, like we are both very fortunate to do what we do and, yeah, to work in a factory and I kind of get to call my own shots and everything. Yeah, and I do live on the Walleye world factory, but it's some point you always go hey, if I had a hundred million dollars in the bank, I'd be doing this. Like what is that thing for? Jay? I'm assuming it's still fishing, but maybe it's not. Honestly, I think it's exactly what I'd be doing right now. I think what I'm doing right now, you know, three years ago I was maybe shooting like a lot more client work, but now it's probably ninety percent youtube tempers on cline work, because I still love being behind the camera and and doing like more artistic documentary style projects, like a fly fishing film style thing. Every once in a while we like hit. Pretty much what I'm doing now is what I want to do. So I like, at least for the foreseeable future, I can't imagine, you know, wanting to do anything else and I can't imagine just wanting to go fishing for fun day after day after day, like for me to retire and just fish without cameras. I mean, look at all ender, he still fishes with cameras once the time when he goes out. Now it's not. AL's not a good example because he's an animal. Normal. Yeah, he is not normal. They have the allays and for that long is crazy to me. I didn't. I didn't have the I didn't have the mots. I did a few things or producers, like, I can't believe you asked him that. I'm like, I've known him since I was like fifteen. He's like, I still can't believe, but I didn't ask him about there was a charity event with some other people you probably know and Al cast it over their head when they missed the fish on top water and bang it right in from them. And because, like there's a charity of an hour. You kidding me right now? Like I can get a cast in there, but that's just Alec. I mean that's yeah, he's I totally get where you're going. He's a worse example whatever, because that dudes and he's like the Rambo of fishing. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Like I just can't imagine myself not filming the fishing stuff. And this might sound cliche to but like one of my favorite things about filming youtube videos is being able to have those memories saved forever. Like I've got some cool memories out even outside of fishing. Like, you know, the first time I went fishing with sad. This is fishing, but the first time I'm fishing with my wife or when I proposed to her, I filmed all that stuff. So I got these these cool memories to shore kids one day and all that stuff, and it's like, I don't know, I have an awful memory. If it wasn't for Fuoto and video, I forget so much stuff. It's just gone as soon as it happens. So being able to look back on that, it's like that. That's one of my favorite parts, having memories with my family and wife, and those are those are documented now. So, producer to producer, dude, here's the deal. He's a lot younger than us. So when you guide over Fivezero days on Lake Erie, your body's going to be telling you I don't want to fish every day, Jay, and he's planning. D I'm explaining to you how this is gonna work. Okay, I'm not trying to be a dad here, but, like a lot of the stuff, you know, I think these things evolved. You know, like for me, I really enjoy doing the product testing. So I got to be out there doing that stuff, but I'm not doing as many twelve hour days, you know what I mean. I really enjoy hosting stuff. Like you know, me and you have both done multiple things, you know, with meat eater. I enjoy getting on and doing a podcast, you know, for me, either where it's not blown thirty miles an hour or if it is, it doesn't matter. You know, like some of those things as you get all you like. You're not quite there yet. So moment yeah. But what do you think is one of those things...

...that could be a transition for you? Because I don't care who you are, you look at through time, everybody kind of just has a different role. Maybe it's you mentoring or doing something different or running a production company and letting some of those other guys do the grunt. But you have a thought about that at all? Um? I mean, living where I live on lake of the woods, if my body started to fill me, I think I would do yeah, I could do shorter days, I could do you know, I don't have to deal with the Great Lakes. I'm pretty lucky on that side of things. But just yeah, I really like business in general, so that might be you know, then, I don't know, managing businesses or just or yeah, just maybe doing less. Yeah, I don't know what that's going to look like. I mean I know I probably won't be a tell a tiller guy in thirty years. I'm still a hardcore, die hard tiller guy. There's going to be a day where I want to windshield and I who knows when that'll be, but I don't think I'll be a tiller guy till I'm seventy five years old. I'll like that. So what is it about the Tiller thingcause I'm a hybrid. I've got bubbles, I've got bubbles, but what's the yea, I love the tiller she just because I'm fishing for everything and in the shield, I mean I glass boat wouldn't make sense or what I do, because a lot of time on uncharted lakes, I'm hitting rocks all the time. I love the deep vote because I'm just doing a bit of everything. But then, as far from like a filming standpoint, it's like you have so much open space. If I want to bring a bunch of people fishing, that's great too. Obviously they're getting kicked around more without without a windshield. are going to get wetter. But also filming. If I ever doing vertical stuff in the back, you know I've got my grass ring in front of meet the back I've got the Tiller and the cameras pointed towards me. I can sit in the back of the boat, not have to move once and have the camera pointed and film an entire show without touching the camera. It can be in that same spot. And for dropping on fish vertically, I don't think there's something better than a tailor because if I'm trying to sharp shoot and catch specific fish I see on my live scope, I can just drive around and stay in that back corner and do everything I need to do. It's it's obviously more suited for for deeper fish. If the Fisher shallow, I'm going to be up at the front, but for deeper fish you can't beat a killer. So you were used to be in Winnipeg area right. Yeah, new move a Canar. Was that? was that lady in Duced? Be Honest, yes, was that lady in Duce. I knew that's producer dude. I knew it. I knew it. I used to always, I used to always joke about marrying a girl from Canara and then it ended up happening. But, like, I grew up an hour south of Winnipeg, right on the Manitoba North coat of border, and there's like no fishing within two hours. Like I the Red River that I could fish for catfish and some Walleye, but like that was pretty much it. So I would always do like day trips to Canara. So I would leave a thirty in the morning, get to get right thirty, fish the day and get home at midnight and that would be I did that countless times for Lake Drup for a while I would, ever, so it's like seven hours of driving, six hours of driving one day and then I, you know, ended up connecting with her in Cana and I had to make a time out. Time Out, producer dude, let's have a little bat hair. Was it a an internet deal? be through a friend in the fishing industry or see? You pick one. What do you think? Because Jay's got this baby face thing on here. You know I but he could be a quiet killer. You're gonna like the story, you're gonna like this story. Okay, just throw it out their producer D's dragging this out too long. Trebeck it's kind of a and be and it all ties back to UNCUTT angly. Sam, I knew it. Sam, my wife. She was, I think, driving, driving to your concert with a friend and he was a huge uncut angling fan and he pulled up uncut angling on instagram. Is like, Sam, you should date one of the guys from monkult angling. So she pulls up Aaron's profile. She's like, I don't know. You know Aaron's had kind of a scraggly beard and hair and stuff. He said, okay, well, well, maybe maybe the cameraman. So pulls up my instagram. She's like, oh, he's cute, and then she messaged me on instagram and like three months later we started dating. Six months later, maybe. So she slid into my DM's producer to this might, this baby face, might be the only one to use fishing to his advantage. For Him. I literally can not imagine that ever happening. I mean just know in the youtube fishing videos and that someone actually reached out to one of these hosts. It's pretty funny. I've never thanked thank the guy that you know, referred them to Uncut Angling, but yeah, I would would attribute a tribute or marriage to cut angling. Otherwise we wouldn't connect that. I don't think. I mean can or has got some good fish. I mean doesn't? Gussie lived pretty close to you there? Yeah, guess he's ten minutes away. Guess he's guess he's the pride of the pride of can or. That guy's unbelievable. Yeah, you're not going to take his title. Probably know I don't want you either. No, guess, guess he's the man. So he went boards when you come into down? Is He really? Yeah, there's they're a big a big sense sense countries like the local tourism thing, and he's the face of sunset country. That's so funny. So realistically, though, you guys seen back, I would say more in the younger days, like you guys had. I can remember seeing some croppy stuff and and and a lot of different things. It's almost like you had some untouched stuff, those kind of...

...secret Canadian Shield lakes, or maybe just you know the pressure. Do you miss some of that stuff or do you guys still sneak and do that? It's so funny. Like Aaron is one of the most secretive people I know, and some of those videos that he's filmed. I still don't know where he filmed them. And that's the crazy thing. There there's lakes that Aaron will only go to buy himself and he wouldn't even he you know, wouldn't take me, which is like if he was going to tell someone, he probably tell me. And he's just like he's next on some of that stuff, like he's a magician and he'll just disappear and you don't know where he's at and he comes back with these sixteen inch cropies and it's like, man, there's a reason why, you know, you're one of the bolt putting the hours. Yeah, and that's and that's what kind of where I'm going. If somebody's listening to this, you know we've got young kids and then we've got some old guys that kind of follow what I do. I'm send it being the older Kuy at thing at this point. But when you got some young kid and he's like Hey, I want to be a Youtuber, I think he's hearing all the glamorous stuff and here's the Jay. Just got a hook up from it. You know what I mean? Producers, that's probably gonna get a lot of kids excited. But and but then you go from that. You back up and what I heard in there as a lifelong guy, I've never had a real job fishing and shrief from day one, what I hear is is a dude that spends a ton of time trying to fish a bunch of lakes and what they don't see on the video is is a lot of days a sucking it up, and that's what that's what you don't see. You know what I mean? Yeah, and that's a thing that I will tell kids and that I've seen with Aaron. Is like Aaron was twenty five when I'm cuttingly started. He had logged obscene hours fishing by himself, exploring, getting skunked, and it's like Aaron gets gunked more than anyone I know because he will not do the easy thing, and I know this keeps coming back to Aaron, but he's just like he'll, he puts in the hours and then he decided that once he was twenty five, he's like then I'm going to start filming fishing. It wasn't like when he's fourteen he's going to start filming, and not that you can't start filming fishing when you're fourteen, but like he had guided by the time he was twenty five. He had guided for seven years and then he spent the next five years fishing turnaments and online tournaments and all this stuff by himself. And it's like, by the time he decided to start filming, he had a pretty impressive, you know, track record of place he had been, fish he had caught, and I think if you want to document, document your journey as a youtuber and like getting into fishing, I think that's cool. But it's like people are also going to see through you as well if you try to speak like an expert on a topic and you've never done it before. Like I've filmed a couple hunting videos and I'm so green about hunting, like I don't know half the terminology and but I'm fine with that because I'm just trying to bring someone along and be like, Hey, this is my first ear hunt, I don't know what I'm doing, but if you want to watch it, you can watch it. But I think if I went into that trying to film this like I'm some hardcore deer hunter, people would see right through that and it wouldn't it wouldn't be relatable. Right, they're going to be on your real fast if you don't know what you're talking means. You just look at anything in the media world. Now, Kay, what what has been your your most challenging video imaged? To know, as someone who also goes and shoots a lot of these fishing videos, question story about something most challenging. So I produced a series with Aaron with uncutting Lin, called thirty nine hours. I did season two of it and for those of you that aren't familiar, there in hours essentially was thirteen hours of fishing. There's four team spread across North America. Each team had a cameraman and it was catch as many species as you can in thirty nine hours. And that was my first time being like a producing role. So each cameraman, by the end of the trip, had fifty hours of footing. It's hours of footage because you have the fishing time plus some travel time, so you've like two hundred hours of footage. And then I was working on, you know, sponsorships and the editing and just all that fine tune production stuff and just a project of that scale was definitely the biggest undertaking. If I'm just going out myself and I just have to deal with my footage it's easy, but as soon as you're dealing with other people and editors and for other cameramen, it gets complicated. So I mean anytime I'm doing a bigger project, if I go fishing for half of a trying to make a quick video, that's not too bad. But it's like if I go fishing for a week and I try to turn into an hour long film, that's where it gets more challenging because then there's more variables on how you want to tell that story. For any of those things, I mean, it just gets complicated. You know, I guess one thing that because I don't want to put too much your business out there, just like I don't want mine. But we're pretty open on this and I don't think this is too invasive. Where I say that, like from a business standpoint. Let's forget we're talking about filming fishing for a second. Let's say you're talking to a financial advisor and you go hey, I want to put all of my money in Sony stock or apple stock. You'd be like, I don't matter who it is. You be like no, that's not a good idea, right. You got to kind of spread around and do you think at some point, you know, because of some of the directions you're going on. I know it's not totally will get to some of the other stuff, like that Nice whole box you sent me. But Youtube, let's say they pulled a plug on youtube or something crazy happens. I mean it's it's not totally unfeasible, but that could happen or you know whatever. But when you look at doing that verse other things,...

...because or maybe it's the opposite for you, where you look at like you're doing some stuff with meat eater now, right, yeah, and when you start doing that and now you're putting the control into somebody else's hands. I mean, do you see? What's your thought process on that? And you know where I'm going. I'm terrible set up. But no, no, like I don't. I don't want to have all my eggs in one basket because, I mean, so the Youtube hunting world definitely had a scare recently because some of the biggest names had their channels demonetized. you familiar with this Ross which just happened? A hundred percent, yes, dude, hundred percent. Yeah, it's scary. So a bunch of the guys, flair is one of the biggest guys, Andrew Flair from the Googan squad, seek one. They do a bunch of urban deer hunting some of these massive channels. They got an email and they said, hey, your channel doesn't meet guidelines. Your demonetized for thirty days and if you don't, you know, meet the requirements after thirty days, you'll be demonetized further further after that. It's like some of these guys, I bet your flarees making six figures a month on ad sense. It's insane. But like I've crunch what flare doesn't. I'm pretty sure most months of bet he makes six figures, which is unbelievable. But like, imagine that just getting turned off without like talking to a human. It's just like a blanket email they get. So then Andrew Flair, and this is because it's hunting specific stuff. Flair made a video about it, saying this is what happened. Kind of told this viewers, and then the VP of Youtube, one of their top monetization guys, message flare and that we're going to get this fixed. And now they're monetization is turned back on. But, like hunting has always been touchy and now seeing this. It's like, okay, I still I used to dabble and post a couple hunting videos here and there, but it's like why post a couple hunting videos if it's potentially going to jeopardize everything because fishing is still Puri I mean, we're going to go down a rabbit hole real fast. But I'm definitely pro second amendment. So anybody listening to this that, I don't think they'd be surprised by that. But you know, some of the companies I work with also have hunting lines or whatever, or parent companies, and the amount of ads that they cannot place now on Youtube or social media outlets. Let's not even pick a it doesn't matter, facebook, whatever. It's scary on the type of censorship that's going on there. And again, whether your pro second amendment or I don't even know if this is a second amendment deal, but just the the censorship that's going on this and it's just it's specific censorship. I think that that's the scary part. So yeah, I mean I I wouldn't want to be the person at facebook or youtube, any of those things right now. I would want to be the person making a decision on what's allowed to get post into what's not, because it's they're scary places. I watch some video the other day on some moderator for facebook and he was telling the stories of the stuff you's seen on facebook and I know we're going down a rabbit hole now, but it's like yeah, it's compleate and that's why I like the stuff that shows up on my facebook feed and youtube feed on recommended. I'm like how is this step showing up on my feed? But hunting stuff can't be allowed because it's like hunting is where our food used to all come from and now it's where a lot of food comes from. And it's like, yeah, it's a tough deal. So I mean back to where we're at on eggs and one basket. It's like that makes me nervous that maybe fishings next. You know, huntings first. It's exactly right. Potentially fishing is next because you're putting you're putting hooks in fishes face. So like well, again, to really to really alienate some people right now, we'll say, you know, let's look at six months ago, and they said, you know, oh no, you're not going to have to have a vaccine mandate. No, you're not going to have to carry a vaccine card, and here we are, so regardless of where you you feel on that from personal health and but don't care, it's irrelevant. The point is is there's a lot of liberties that are be takeaway. That kind of remind me of my GRANDPA, who is in World War II, in the battle the bulge and trying to go against things. And now we, you know, different but similar way, are are kind of sneaking back there. Yeah, it's yeah, I don't know what I don't know what's going to be next to like there's always talks and yeah, I get the odd message about all we want to start a third a new media platform that's hunting and fishing specific. But Youtube is just such a beast right now and they're the best platform to pay their creators back. There's no platform like youtube that pays their creators like Youtube does. It pays you to make videos and has the ads. I forget what the stat was, but it was, oh, just billions of dollars, because for every dollar I get from Youtube, that Ad Company, McDonald's, whoever it is, is paying youtube a dollar, and I'm getting it they're paying youtube two dollars. I'm getting one of those dollars, you know what I mean. So Youtube is making just obscene amounts of money. But yeah, that that being said, like I'm trying to diverse FY, you know, doing stuff with the mediator, but still, that's that's still youtube based. I mean even instagram it's owned by facebook. So who knows what's going to happen. Like you know, facebook went. I don't know if you guys had it too, but facebook, when they when they're down for a day. Did that happen to you guys in the states? Her was? I just Canada. That was in the Tun so it's just like all of a sudden it's like man, what if I lost my my facebook and instagram? It's like I it was a nice moment to have a day without it and I'm like man, this is what life would feel like without, without social media. I wouldn't want to lose my youtuber.

FACEBOOK IS I've put a lot of time into it, but it would be interesting if we had to set so that's the long segue to tell you guys what my new fish batter company called catch and Cook Coatings. No, my I mean you're always promoting stuff on youtube righter, often promoting stuff. Like I said, you need partnerships. And then at a certain point I was like, I like, I like promoting other people's products, but it's like man, I think, I think it'd be cool to have my own product. So buddy and I started a fish batter company called catch and Cook. My BUDDI's more on the chef side of things, I'm more on the marketing side of things, and we kind of put our heads together and we're like, well, what what's missing in the market? And it's like man, the fish batter market categories kind of empty. There's kind of not much going on, nothing new and fresh. So I was like, Oh, let's start slinging our own fish batter, promoted to the videos and, you know, to try to make a lure right now, a fishing lure. It's like it's a pretty saturated category. So we're making fish patter now and it's something that you know, if you if Youtube doesn't work out, or maybe when I'm seventy years old I'll just be selling fish batter and not filming youtube videos. I mean, well, do you know there's a couple old timers, one I like one maybe you know maybe not, but you know old Gary Roach, he's had a batter for like yeah, he's at his time for like to. I mean I can tell you because for my high school graduation he sent me a twenty palm bag, that's true story, for for a fish fry. So that's how long ago he's been doing that. And then, you know, even like Babe Winkelman, he's got the spices and stuff. Those, those guys are doing pretty good with that. It's a good way to grow your thing. The margins are good and and people need it and that's you know, like I said, if you like it, you keep buying it because it's it's not renewable per se. Like you need to keep buying more. Use a lot of it. And I mean if you Walley Fish, I'm sure. I'm sure you must eat a lot of Walleye. You knew you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. I no, not really, Butiv it or not, like perch, I mean I don't dislike Walleyes. I feel like it's like my k you know, I just release them. I let him go. My Guide clins. They keep enough of them. But yeah, so what else should we know before we let you carry on and make some expensive stuff here and videos and all kinds of cool things. I mean, I feel like the only thing I want to hear yet, producer, to you stepping I want to hear some an editing tipper too, so that you can help producer, dude, just take it to the next level. Besides that, I'm good you, producer, to what if I got an editing tip that that has saved me so much time and it's my biggest my biggest secret of editing. If you using it's only good if using multiple cameras. There's a program it's called pluralize and I learned about it when I started shooting weddings. Will pluralize does I mean? The name kind of gives it away. It's like multiple eyes looking at your program. So if you have three Gopros and your main camera, you put it into this program and it'll take all the audio waveforms and it'll see the highs and the lows that, let's say I'm screaming when I catch a fish. It'll find that same scream on all three cameras and it'll line it up. So I'll put a day's of footage in and it'll line up all the camera angles and depending if it's a windy day, it'll have a tougher time doing it. If it's a comedy will be no problem. But what would normally take me eight hours to sink up we'll take me five minutes to sink up. I put into the program click a button, it links up all your cameras, turns it into an adobe premiere, like the editing program file, and then I go into editing it. All my camera angles are lined up. So that saves me just so much time and headache of because I would do that and weddings you'd have your multiple angles and you put it in a line everything up. That is a great idea. That's a go. Is Great thing to know instead of, yes, trying to I think he said this right here. Yeah, I'll it's looks like an F and this is yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's that's something that works. It doesn't work all the time, but if you deal with multiple camera angles, it is good. And then the other part, I mean, I don't know if this is necessarily a tip. When I whenever I'm editing, I'm always just trying to think like only giving people the Info they need it's really easy to just drag on and I'll send you before to your fifty minute video. But what somebody told me once is they said you want it, you'll enter the scene late and leave the scene early, like as in just have the essentials in there, because Youtube also favors your watchtime algorithms. So the more of the people are watching, the more likely they're going to recommend that view to other people. If people only watching the first thirty seconds and clicking off, Youtube isn't going to recommend it as much. So you want to keep people engaged as long as possible. So it's like there's Times where I my care sixty fish in a video and only include I mean, I don't often catch fifty fish. I might catch five fish in a video and I only include three the fish because those other two just weren't relevant to the story. Are they didn't add much right. So I think I think it's easy getting caught up and trying to include all that, but I think just focusing on what do I need to tell the story in a concise fashion and, you know, build, build that story. Yeah, you'll have to make some time to come down fish with us. Rather it's ice or open water. But I just want to thank you for your time today, everybody. Thank you. Tuned it into the big water podcast, specially oh Ja Siemens, formerly uncut angling, currently with Self Filming Extravaganza. How about that? Thanks, guys. Make sure you check us out on big water...

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