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Bigwater Fishing with Ross Robertson
Bigwater Fishing with Ross Robertson

Episode 45 · 6 months ago

Mike Weinhofer - Florida Keys Fishing Guide

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Captain Mike Weinhofer shares some of the crazy stories from being a charter captain in Key West Florida and discusses some of the rich history of the area. Mike Weinhofer began fishing with my father at the age of 5 in New Jersey where he learned to fish on his charter boat. He fished numerous tournaments together in many incredible locations and soon Mike and his father shared a love of fishing. He caught his first sailfish on the Gone Fishin out of Islamorada, FL when he was 7 and was hooked for life. He told his father that someday he would live in the Florida Keys and fish for a living. Twenty-eight years ago, he made that dream come true, moved to Key West, and began chartering his first light tackle fishing boat. He was living the dream, fishing from Venezuela to Cuba, the Bahamas to Maryland, the Outer Banks, and all over Mexico. Capt. Ross Robertson has made his complete living chasing walleye as a full time professional angler for more than 20 years. Through the years he has worn many hats including time as a fishing guide, boat salesman, TV host, outdoor writer, product designer, tournament fisherman, speaker, radio host and podcaster to name a few. Ross fishes ice-out to ice-up on the Great Lakes. He spends the majority of the year walleye fishing on Lake Erie’s Western and Central basins. Check out more from Bigwater Fishing https://www.facebook.com/BigwaterFishing/ https://www.instagram.com/bigwaterfishing/ http://bigwaterfishing.com/ Download Bigwater Fishing Podcast Episodes iTunes https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bigwater-fishing-with-ross-robertson/id1508243662Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/bigwater-fishing-podcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0i8zS8tQumNGYGAXqKLX45Google Podcasts https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zb3VuZGVyLmZtLzI1NzIvcnNzLnhtbA?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiW4-OnvY7rAhXYCc0KHX7lBRQQ4aUDegQIARAC&hl=en

M producer. Dude, here we go. The people have been asking, you know, and we we talked all these guys like what do you want to hear? What don't we hear stories? So, I mean, I don't want to throw anybody into the bus, but we've had we've had some really good guests, but sometimes when we ask him a story they get a little reluctant because they think they're gonna offend somebody. Right, I found a guy that's not gonna afraid to be offended by anybody or himself or anything. Mike Weinhoffer a kind of a legendary's keys guide, if I think like thirty years and he is. I've heard people compare him as a character. To me, that's how we came about as buddies. Yeah, I'm excited to hear about Key West. It's place I've always wanted to check out, not fishing necessarily, but go. My whole knowledge of Key West comes from the Netflix show bloodline. So that's that's all I know about at this point, where they killed cousin Ed ye or whatever and there. Yeah, you know, the funny thing about that is is when you go down there now, there's so many people that are like are they're using those landmarks to the poor people whose houses are here there or whatever that they're like. It becomes this like crazy tourist trap Um. But I really I'm gonna I know, I'm not gonna be disappointed because I'm just gonna tell you right now, Mike remark my words, he will bring the best stories that you have heard on the big water podcast and potentially anywhere. And he's also a giant stone breaker like me, so he might be a little cautious. He might throw one at you too. All right, well, let's bring him on. Mike Weinhoffer, welcome to the big water podcast. I don't know if you know this, this has been in the works for a lot longer than you could ever imagine. I have heard that, do you do? You know? I don't even know if we should throw him under the bus, but why not? It's fun. At least it's gonna be at least. Ten years ago I was doing a shoot with the same some of the same folks you all shot with, and when they got done they looked at me and they were like, I hope one day you and Mike want half or have to fish together, and I was like, who's Mike? I don't know him, and he's like you two are the biggest stone breakers I've ever seen in my life and if you're in the boat together, I want to video it. I just don't want to be there. That's a that is like almost a verbatim quote. So do you know what this thing is? I look at that as a compliment and I think you do too. Absolutely. Now, I think a lot of the people that were throwing those comments out don't look at that as a compliment. Come on, after all, they all get it. So we don't like you. Right, producer Dude, are you listening to this? If we don't pick on you, we don't like you. That sounds familiar. I think that you know he watched some stuff, because the producer dude is my guy, has been with me. We were just talking about about twelve years we hadn't shooting stuff to other and he never had done the fishing thing and he was the producer of my fishing TV show and it letters all kinds of shenanigans and I think we we grew through our dislike of each other and now we like work together all the time. It's crazy, but he sometimes sees some of these personalities and he always just says, where do you find these people? And I think, Mike, you are in that, you are in that basket. I don't know how to take that. I wouldn't either. But so, producer, dude, I don't want to curse us, I don't want to pee into the wind here, I don't want to do whatever, but to give you a little background, so you know, without naming and we won't even say who didn't run, we may may or may not Mike, have had a podcast that couldn't run because it was just so terrible. But we get a lot of people that they're not like me and you, which is probably a good thing for the general population, but they tell me these things off camera, like at a sports show or after a fishing trip or something, and they start and they tell these stories and I'm like, Oh my God, would you go on my podcast and we you know, could we talk about this? Oh,...

...yeah, yeah, yeah, producer did. What happens? What happens? Got A toned down story or no story. And then I actually brought this up with Ross today. I'm like, okay, he was telling me some of the stories. I'm like, okay, but is he gonna tell him? Oh my absolutely, and I'm like, so a little background, give us a little bit of background on you. I mean you've been a keys guide for like how bloody long? I mean you're like tretched into the sand there, aren't you? It's probably thirty years that I've been down here fishing. I love it. I love being here. So you're you're mainly fishing out of key west and you live just outside of their right. I live right in the USTUS proper and I fished. I've got five charter boats, running everything from payboats to sixty three foot so you have seen some shenanigans, you know. Here's the weird part, and I know you've had this. You've had a charter that came on the boat and fish with you and you didn't get along. Oh yeah, producer, I had an excelrine on the boat. Okay, he was so obnoxious to his kids. At the end of the day his wife got off the boat. They were fishing me like four more days and I shut off the boat and she said are you okay? I said I don't ever want to do that again. She said, what do you mean? I said fishing. Then that was atrocious. She went home, she made and went back to the hotel. She made him call me and apologize. He was not good for an apology. He's like, well, you know, I want to talk to you about today. I'm like, unless you're call him to apologize to me, we got nothing to say. And you were with her for four more days, or more, four more full days. Oh, you're not going on my boat again tomorrow, because no, no, no, I don't want to be like that. I'm like, well, I'm not doing that again. I mean to turn down four days of money alone, like that's some principal ship there, Mike. I don't if I can't get if I'm not having fun, I assume they're not having fun. So after about ten minutes on the phone, he finally goes, well, I guess you know today didn't go ice. Is that apology? He goes, well, you know, I said I'm still waiting for the I'm sorry. Don't hear that. We're on fishing to Borre. It's like, you know, it's really tough for me to explain. I'm like, that's not it. So finally he goes I'm sorry. Now, twenty two years later, I'm still fishing him ten to fifteen days a year. No kidding, my best friend. No, I love his family. We've been through three generations, but that first day was hell. You know, I can, I can relate to that because I think sometimes times, maybe you know an ex marine, if we're going to stereotype as one of those guys where he feels he's got a macho up or he's got to be in charge, and a lot of the guys that I have, you know, CEO s or stuff like that, that they they they basically look at me like I'm smarter than you, I make a lot of money and there's no way you can be better at this than me. And when you're trying to help them, be good, because it's like am I am I right, like I tell him, like when we come to back the dock, like you said, if you don't have fun, and we didn't do good with catching because people didn't pay attention and participate and do what they need to do. Like, even though it's not really my fault, I still like I wear that, like you said, and I don't want to deal with this ship exactly and and and a fury of captain, because I know a lot of captains that go in, or they wouldn't have turned four days of money down, or they don't care, like he's a shitty captain, because if you don't care enough, you should be doing it. You should. Yours starts with the same term mine does. I've fish...

...all around the world. You know you haven't. You've been guided all around the world, which means you don't know ship right. That's my talent. When Bill Start with that, I'm like, Oh, there we go. When? When? When people start? When? I when I'm trying to like come off the dock and you know, again we're running more like a deeper bayboat for what you would call and you know when those things are single screw right. So you're trying to come all over the place there and the winds blowing and I'm trying to basically just not hit stuff, and these guys trying to like scroll through and show me fifty pictures on how many fish he's caught. That's usually the guy that's like, oh, boy's gonna be a long one. You know what? People don't understand that no one wants to catch fish more than we do. No one wants to show them my backyard more than I do. I want to show you how awesome it is. That's it's not about throwing dead fish in the DOC. It's not about filling coolers. It's about the experience. It's about going sight fishing and letting them do something cool. It's all about the people. It's not about this, I mean it is not fish, but it's all about the people in the experience. Thanks. Yeah, the experience thing, for sure. I think that that and that's what we try to portray in some of the youtube videos and things that we do, some of the destination trips, like we did an ice fishing trip to Idaho, and you know you don't drive. Wait, wait a minute, yeah, I said ice fishing, ice fishing. I said ice fishing. I'll have to explain the concept to you later. I'll explain the concept to you later. Don't worry about it. With that, what think that should be is a drinking sport. That's it. The keys guys. So in serious like, here's a question, because I know you're a straight shooter, you know. You ask these these guys and they're like the keys. Everybody seems to be going to the Bahamas now, like the keys. Is it fair to say I mean, I've heard, like flip palet and these guys, not that his word is the end of all be all, but that the keys is a much more difficult fishery than it was, I would say, in certain areas. I think everything is cyclical, just like in your business. I guarantee that you have five, seven, eight year cycles of where certain fish absolutely go nuts and then they drop off. We're having a great selfish run right now. This past year we've had probably the best bone fish year we've ever had. There's more bone fishing qus now men there has been probably fifteen years. There's more reef fish when you go to the yellow tails and Muttons, that have been in probably eight years now. Our Dolphin fishing last year was way off. It was probably but we're starting to see more bigger dolphin now than we did in the past three years. So everything cyclical. Am I gonna tell you it is the same as it was thirty years ago when I got here? No, it's not, but it's still for the diversity and the I mean I am one day it can go from catching tarpin to selfish, to permit to Dolphin and one day one shuder not. Well, so you know key weird, as they call it. I've been known to go to key weird a few times. Um, I wondered, like you know, because, and I don't want you to give me no tourist bullshit here, because so many people go there, is it better or worse? Because I could see this going both ways. And where I'm going with this is there certain fishery places that I know, guys that I'm on pro staffs with or just buddy of other guides and stuff. You see them, and there are certain places that like they basically guide people. An overwhelming portion of their guide clients are people that are going fishing but they're not fishermen because they're in X Y Z destination. That kind of wears my ass out. Like every now and then. That's fine, we cant like we get a lot of tourists fishing. That's a whole different game. You know, I do still get a lot of hardcore guys and they're the ones that do the really fun trips with the side fish and selfish, the fishing Kobia, the shrimp or trips the side fishing permit on...

...the shallow water wrecks. There's some really niche, cool trips that I don't take Joe Tarstan. They want to go to the reef and catch yellow tails and muttons, and that's fine. They want dinner, but you kind of step down or dumb down what you're doing for those people, like here's, here's the wild thing. There are more. It's like when jaws came out. There's more people that want to go shark fishing now than ever before. Now you can go out and three of water and catch all the sharks you want, or you can go in four ft of water and drift and have ten sharks follow you tailing on the surface in four ft of water. So there's different ways to do it based on WHO's going. Like, if you're gonna fly fish sharks, you want to be in four FT of water. You don't want to be in three FT of water and honestly, they're no fun to catch it three other FT of water. It's just a butt lipping right. You see them in three Ft. Learn you pull up in the bay boat and there's ten sharks, women circles are out the boat bill gets so weirded out that won't go do the call that we'll stop up on a bout platform. Like no, I'll stay down here. I'm like, they're out there, you're fine, it's gonna be okay. Yeah, and see. I guess like the second half of that. And maybe I'm being a positive producer dude, but I could see where maybe there's some guys that really want to do some hardcore fishing, but they gotta they gotta do the white things. So the wives are happy going to the keys, Dad's going fishing, and so you could probably get some dudes on that. That would be you know, maybe not. MOM'S NOT gonna come to Cleveland Ohio, but she's all about going to Almorada and key west. It's just like a lot of people are not comfortable now going to Venezuela and Costa Rica and Mexico, and there are times when the sailfishing is better here than it is Mexico. You'res Go. Years Ago I just gonna Mexico and catch, I mean pulling dredges. We catch between sixty and eighty selfish a day Che but the last year I went there was a hundred fifty American boats there, so then we went to six, seven selfishy day. Well, I've done fifty tailing in the keys in April. So people know the right time to come, they can have an awesome time. Don't come in July expect to go selfishing. All our fish are very sickly. Goal very time frame. Um, they shift to three weeks either way, but you have to come at the right time. Like here is different than every place als in Florida. Ironically, I am going to be there in July because I want to be an Orlando for a trade show and I'm trying to sneak down there. I may have to sleep on your couch because some of the rates time seeing, yeah, some of the right time seeing, like for a whole holy dude. Oh yeah, seriously, Qus is not a cheap destination. There's nothing cheap about you west. No, it's, it's but it's even some of my my other buddies around there that have different places to whatever you guys are pretty well to do. They're like, oh my God, like it's right now. It's like everybody wants to go there or whatever. But yeah, people were stacking and we're busy business, which is so yeah, it's good, but so before we get off, because we could go with so many directions. I just I was thinking about, like when you talk about like the tourists or whatever people. The questions you get, like they always say there's no such thing as a stupid question, but I failed, I failed to agree with that. Some of them you get. I actually have to look at people and go, Huh, I don't even understand the questions. Okay, so it's like you're top like top five, like top five, either you get all the time or maybe a couple of them that are just like you. Still don't even know what they're asking. Some are so far out you you look at the people and go, how do you breathe every day? You feel like you actually remember to breathe. Okay, they's ability goes.

Do you have really good snorical gear? I'm like yeah, why he goes. Well, I'm with snorical under the island. Look at the guy. Go, mm HMM, okay, under the island, under the island, don't even mean I'm going out. Gentleman's about sixty and some of the weird you out, some of the some of the things happened like since chills up your spine, like if you my dear, I mean I expect when I fish with you you have good equipment. If you don't have snorkeling gear that can. Let me just can let me go into anything island. I don't think I'm gonna go now. We don't have really good snort here. Maybe he was thinking like like scuba diving stuff, but you still can't go under the island with Scooba between the islands is that island always there. And I looked at her and she was nothing against the here we go. Well, there we go, express and lovely woman and her husband was probably twenty years her senior. And I said no, you know what a couple of years ago that I was starting to drift away and I had five charter boats to ty ropes to it and pull it back and anchor it back down. And she looked at me and she said, you know, I knew something like that could happen. Oh my God, he and he goes Mike, it's not nice to pick on stupid people. I was like wow, okay, who's worse than that? Case calling your wife stupid or me and you just being me? I mean you get some of them ladies, like I go to put frozen value in a bag in my life. Both thought him out and I leave the dock and she goes what's that as well? That's my livel she's, Oh, that's really cool. So we get out there and I look back and she just happening in my life. TAP, TAP, top, tap. God, I know where this is going. What are you doing? She goes. It's not working. Now these values are in a zip blocked bag, frozen. She goes, it's just not working. There's something wrong with it. I'm like, I don't understand. Well, they're not coming back to life. Oh okay, what how do you agreeth either? Actually happened that people tap my fish friender. They go, what's that? It's a fish funder. About fifteen minutes there they're tapping a SCREENP, tap, tap, I don't think it's working. Pardon me, it's not a calculator. We're not finding fish. It's not working. Okay, those are the producer. Dude, I'm with you. Those are almost hard to believe, but I would not doubt Mike on any of this stuff. Better one very possible. He's going. He's on now plastic surgery. She gets on the bullet and she's in high heels and a white bikini. High heels in a boat. Oh, like, how do you even get down the dock and eye heels shields, gets on the boat. Her husband is probably sixty five, she's probably forty five and she has that at every place and surgery in the world. We get out, it's a little choppy and he goes like kind of loses his balance. He standing next to me at the console. So I grab him and pull him back to kind of catch his balance and jump around and go hey, man, we come back with one less, it costs more. I need to laugh. He goes, I'll be more careful. Forty five minutes later I put why bats out. She walks up behind me goes, how much more does it cost? The hair stood up on the back of my neck. I turned around and looked at her. I said go up front and sit on the front seat of the counsole. Do not come back here. Just S I was like,...

...oh you. Do you tell the Guy Soprano ship like on the captain she met ten minutes ago. Do you tell the guy? Do you say hey, by the way, your wife? Don't you think he really deep down already knows? Oh God, yeah, she's twenty years is junior and plastic surgery to the nines. Oh Yeah, looking for another victim maybe where I'm so judgmental, but it's not just stupid things get things are culturally different. Like one of them abouts, we do island trips and snorical and stuff like that, and I was running one day it was six werenl people on a boat. I'm like, do you guys speak English? Yes, okay, cool, that would be helpful. Yeah, it helps a lot. Go out to the shower spot and it's like eight feet deep. Run in the lakes down by the MAR causes and there's coral heads are and it's very pretty and very but it's very simple and safe because it's flat, calm. It's in six eight FT of water in his call heads and little efficiency. So I got do you guys put a circle here on? Yes, okay, watch him. None of them are doing it right. My good guys. So I started showing him how to put it on. They I'll put it on. Go to put the first guy in the water. I said, do you swim? While I yes, look at good. Now it's not occurred to me that the only word they have said to me the entire trip. It is Oh God, Oh boy, producer, do this is? This isn't gonna involve a life ring. I got a failing. Culturally, I didn't realize that Japanese people do not like to ever answer in the negative. They only answer in the affirmative. A little bit of a problem. I put the first guy in the order. He steps off the boat goes directly to the bottom. He is standing on the bottom blowing bubbles and the others go in. I'm watching him going. He can't pretty and these water bubbles and starting to flail around. Well, he's not coming up either. Jump into water and pull into the surface. Come to find out, they don't answer in the negative. None of them swim. None of them had ever been snorkling before. None of them could speak English. Did they book a snarkling trip or was this a ficient no, it's a stocle trip. So I promptly put life jackets, the big giant offshore orange vests on all of them, are type ones that we gotta carry. Let them in the water. There you go, producer. What do you make of this? Did they did? They have fine with the life jackets and swimming. Probably had a blast. They still won't swim around well, and then they're like big bombers around. We have a wonderful time. Get off the moot. You're like, is this the easiest money I ever made? So, could they really? But here's the deal. Did they know, like I know, Spanish? Is that how they knew English? I mean, did they know like four or five phrases and that was it? Yeah, so obviously they didn't. They didn't know what Snorkele probably even meant. I think they saw a picture and said, yes, you want to go swimming? Yeah, swimming, is that? Is that? So a day like that to you, is that the easiest day are you taking, or is that the hardest day? That's the hardest day. It's like when people want to go to the beach, I'm like, come on, really, can we go get like permit or go get sailfish or go do something fun, because I don't want to sit on the boat and watch them play on a beach and be like dude, now, I will take that back in one respect. I'm a client of mine who is a professional photographer and brings down playboy models. Here we go, you know. I know about that through some other...

...friends of ours and I was you beat me to the punch there. He charged me probably four or five times a year brings between two and six models, and it's long because they make tons of money selling the photos. They pay him to take the photographs. Gorgeous. Want again naked, consult I will say it's gonna Sound Weird, but after the naked for like five minutes, like okay, then, producer, producer, dude, do you think that we should move our operation to the Flora Keys? Can't we just have an operation like that on Lake Erie, like get put in back? There's been today has been called the key west of the Great Lakes. Right, absolutely. May He Mike for People to encourage people to listen. Oh my God, here we go to it, to encourage people to not just listen but watch the video. Mike has just brought out his personal cell phone and he showed pictures of Said Model. True Story. No, I comes another one, and this one we're gonna have to put some sensory said there was no senser around here. Well, no, you have to censor all of them. Yeah, there's there's a couple of little things there that may may throw some flights. There are two big things we gotta take care of on that photo. Come on, Blur here, blur there, you're good. Okay, now here's an even better one. Oh, he's under rolled. Let me go. That won't listen. Oh yeah, Hey, when you're taking these hooks out, do me a favor. Use A D hooker. Don't use your hand. Be careful with if the fish shakes, you're gonna get hooked. Oh Oh, I'll be fine. Do me a favorite. US A D hooker. I am shocked that you let them do take them out, like I only you know. I know you, guys, Gaff we met. That's a captain. Yeah, Oh my God. So, just to point out it, Mike just showed a picture of a hook in a hand. For those this this is more of a visual podcast. You really do need to go over. Oh that was bad. To go over to Youtube. What does that about? A five on it? No, it's a nine or ten. Oh Man, it's that's nasty. You check out youtube twenty some minutes in or something, whatever, we're gonna be here. Oh my, that's naughty. You got a really cool package. Oh my God, Dude, you're out of control. I love it. That's the thing. When you do anything long enough, it's kind of like if you sit in a walmart parking lot anywhere in the country long enough, you're gonna see some ship when you're on when you're on a boat. Yeah, you're gonna see something stuff. Now, when you said models, I feel like I've heard some things through our mutual friends that some of these girls model might be a different term and it might be a kinder term. I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you gonna leave it like that? Is that? Are you censoring yourself on a sudden? Lovely Young Women? I would never cast dispersions. Wow, producer, do we? We finally saw his poker face. It took a little bit. He was had a rolling so that's what I have a charger show up, I have a lady show up. That was okay. Any girl that could pull off a white bikini has a body. This girl showed up at my dock and I got canceled for the next day. She's like, Hey, you open tomorrow? I said Yeah, actually am. I I canceled and I was looking at I was like wow, this girl is smoking and she was Um, do you let chargers go up in your tower? On that, Sarah Counsel, I said Yeah, I do. You know, it's not too rough,...

...is no problem. She goes well, I'd really love to charge you for a full day tomorrow. I said okay, Great. She said, well, I'M gonna bring my boy friends. It's fine. So we get out there, up with two kites up. I'm sailfishing and she goes, you might have to go up in the tower. Said now, go ahead. She goes up in the tower and about I'm running three lines on each kite. Scramble around the bullet to drift baits. So I'm scrambling. I only got two people on the boat and I see about five minutes later, he goes up in the tower. Oh, producer, this is about to get sensors right here I got. All of a sudden, the inside kite, inside right kite, goes down. Selfish, look up. I turned around and he is banging the crap out of her in the tower. I'm like, anybody want this, selfish? She goes no, but you can watch. I was like, selfish, watch, selfish, producer to we're about to find out the reels. And what was the what was that? All of that wine offer? She they came down from the tower. I called the selfish Anatuna. They came down from the tower a half hour later and said well done, we're gone. Now what she paid for the Charter for a full day. I looked at her boyfriend I said, you are a lucky man, because I know well, but this, this was, this, was this there a bucket list thing. Perhaps this, the tower, was what she was into. She set up the whole thing. My question is to have pictures of this one? No, producer, dude, I don't. I don't see this working for our Lake Erie operation. I don't see this happen. Yeah, we don't really have a tower either. No, but I think, you know, I think they always say, like, you know, how do guys like me and Mike Get Together, as like birds of a feather flock together? I think that sometimes people are just gravitate towards the guy like Mike. Like I mean there was a if anybody's ever been down to key west, there's a lot of docks and this girl came to to Mike. There's something there. She wanted the tower. That was her whole thing. But I mean there's can we be fair? I mean even just in the harbor there, Um, you know, I don't know what you call but towards like a and B lobster house. There's a lot of boats with towers right there. Very true. Yeah, you get on, people are fun. You know, if you want to follow people, you can either be a sicker bud or you can love what you do and just enjoy the people, and that's what's all about. I love my charterers, I mean so I chargers to turn it to best friends. I mean fish be seventeen, twenty, fifteen years. Yeah, I can relate, there's no doubt. And then there's the days where you're just like, what time is it? I need to go home, I need to be done. Okay, have you ever taken a charter back to the dock? I have. Yeah, and again, I have multiple times actually, because Um, but again, when you know you've run over four thousand trips or something, I mean this is gonna Happen. But I actually had one not that long ago and it was one of those deals you're just like, are you kidding me? You know what I mean? Um, and it usually involves it's usually because of alcohol or other things. I had one where I pulled my clock on a guy because you're dude, we just I thought the models on the beach were you're carrying in the boat. And you pulled on them. Well, you have to understand down here we have keeping refts and unfortunately, when they drink salt water they go crazy. So what you'll do is pull up to try and help them. Throw water, throw hips, which you're not supposed to do, but whatever. My opinion is that come all this way. It's not my place to stop them. I'll throw the water and throw UPTA hips, whatever Um. But if they swim to its boat, you need to find a way to not let them on the boat because a lot of drink saltwater. Makes when you drink salt lad dehydra and...

...your brain actually boils and make it crazy. There was an instant down here. It's wrenty years ago, where it's you guys on reff swam over to the boat, got on the billet, murdered the entire family, cut them up with knives and then painted blood all over the walls. They were crazy, running circles out there. Producer, dude, we don't have that to put in me either. So we have the Canadian refugees. We do yeah, no, not really, no, no, that doesn't know, that does happen. They run Cuban cigars and there's been Um. No, true, those. Truthfully, there's been Um, what they call it cadavers, and then for body parts, for for black market stuff. I didn't know that. A Matter of fact, fun fact, producer. Dude. You know the Homeland Security route down the road and Pork Clinton there, right down and from where we should go out of our stuff. They they supposedly lake average like fifteen hundred of two thousand captures a year. I'm like, Huh, they had and I yeah, well, in the in the the city, like they get before or after the Detroit river gets a ton too. They had an M I. They got an M I six, like bad like, I don't remember what his exact title is, but like a bad m I six gang guy. In the town when we live in is like, I mean it's like Maybury. It's you know, it's like people and a couple thousand people and it's yeah, it's so that happens because it's a it's a giant, just like you guys. It's a giant. So called unprotected border. Sure, so. And a lot of people come into Canada because they're a little looser with things, or at least they used to be. That was kind of the thing you know, you watch enough movies, you see where a lot of those guys, the I don't know if you want to use the t word or not, but I mean a lot of those guys that have ill intent are coming into Canada because they can, compared to other places. That's I mean murdering people. So let's get back to this. So you you throw them some stuff here and there, allegedly, but you gotta pull a gun on a dude. So like this, I'm just I'm firing producer. I mean I'm enthralled with this whole he just entrenched in the story. This gets weird, I mean it gets really weird. It was I had fished and gentlemen before and he's like six six, like three three or twenty pounds big man. He was then ext pro football player. I don't mention names. Um, he hadn't played a long but he played for a while. Um, he had going out with his friends on my boat before and it was always a little like caustic and humor to the point where it wasn't funny, it was kind of Jabby Nasty. The Guy noticed it. I was like whatever, he's picking out his friends. They obviously don't mind so whatever. He brought his nine year old son out to get a selfish with out. It was April. Selfish were there. They looked into a selfish. He lost the first one. I mean kids nine years old and he's little. He's a little nine year old, and the father is losing his ship. He's like yelling at the gate. You did everything wrong, and I'm like Hey, I mean, you wouldn't know what wrong is, dude. Let me coach the kid. That's my job. Now, let me do my job. So I got him onto the selfish and unfortunately it's the wrong one. It's like a ninety pound sale. It is whipping his kids butt. We want to spend forty five minutes and the kids in the bow and he's trembling. He's so tired. He's crying, not enjoying it. The fish's kicking his butt. It's DAD's like you're such an embarrassment Europe, you little. I was like hey, hey, hey, coach him, let me talk to him. We'll get this done. After about forty five minutes, a kid is sobbing in the battle, the father is still screaming and I'm losing my crap. So a lot of the kidness. And Look, we're gonna tip him to drag down. We're really gonna turn this fish and we're gonna get him quick or we're gonna break him off. Either way, we'll get you another one. This is not the fish for you. So I tend to drag about three pounds, about a turn and about thirty it's later and father screwed. So you tarre tighten that...

...drag new ass. Right, right. I'm like, Whoa dude lighting up and about thirty seconds after I tied me and pops off, the father comes on glued. He's like, I'm gonna Farge and kill you. Use Some of the pitch. He goes the back of my boat and gets a ten inch for a knife that I was cut bait with. Oh boy, comes about now. I see him coming and I go around the console, go to my landing post and pull my lock out and I rack it. Once I pull it, I'm ready to shoot it. Now I got a nine year old kid on the boat who's crying. His father's screaming of telling me how he's gonna slip the knife between my ribs, slip my throat. I'm pulling down. I point out him. I said you stay there in front of the console, don't come back here, I will shoot you. I said the kid. I'm like, come on back here and sitting next to me. He's like that kind of loses it. Sometimes. I look at the kid. I'm like what, like this is normal. Who are you talking about? Because well, my dad has problems. I'm like now he's standing at the front of my console behind the whench nine year old trying to justify this right. He's holding onto the rails at the front of the console for the tea top, screaming me how he's gonna Slip my throat, slip the knife and the knife between my ribs a whole nine yards for the entire ride home, forty five minutes in, screaming the top of slungs, I put the kid on the on my cell phone with his mom. Like can you call your mom, because yeah, I'll call my mom. She goes yes, sometimes he kind of loses it. I'm like, she goes, don't worry, I'll take care of it. I'm like how are you going to take care of this? I bought slip and showed about row and she has called two policemen, QS police. This is probably guy's gotta be ten. Twelve years ago, the word cop walks down the dock. There's a finger pier between the two boats and there's no boat on the other side of the finger paierd now I've still got the clock out on my console. Point at him. He's still screaming at the top of his lungs. The cops like, sir, you need to put that knife down. He Goes Hey Mike, I knew the COP. He Goes Hey Mike, put the gun away. I said no, I'm putting the gun away. He walks by the console, back towards the back of the boat. I walked by. First thing I knew was getting kid off to his mom. He starts to walk back by the console. I walk around the other side of the console. He gets sit back of the boat. He's still got the knife. The COP draws his gun, points out and said, sir, you need to put that knife down. Now he goes he's screaming, I'm gonna slid his throat, on and on and on. I mean very descriptive that he's gonna slip the knife between my ribs. I mean it was spooky, scary stuff. He finally puts the knife down and he jumps off the boat, steps up off the step onto the goal, hits the cop like a football block. Not The cop into the water on the other side of the pier, the other cop that is on the dock six FT away. Taser's him right there and drops him on the dock. Then another cop. I'll welcome to the MOM and I'm like, what is going on? I thought you were gonna like say something in his ear, not called the cops. Lady, I was like, I was like totally wearing it out by this whole situation. She goes, well, he played football for two already, has concussion sickness and when he drinks he doesn't take his medication. She goes, I most him because I used to wake up in the middle of the night and he'd be choking me to death. Oh, I'm like, you could have let me know this, somebody could have said something. Oh, he gets better. Two weeks later he calls me. He goes, Hey, man, really look forward to going on fishing with you next week. I said, oh no, that's never gonna happen. You are never getting on...

...my boat again. No, no, no, I wasn't on my beds. Said I'm not doing that. Oh my God, you're going on somebody. You're not going back out on my boat. So wait, so, wait a minute. So let's back the producer. Let's talk about this. If this happened in Detroit or something, that dude would have gotten shot, like their key west police just kind of used to dealing with the drunks and the stuff like that. Or The guy complied, he put he put the knife down, he knocked the cop in the water, like, I mean, there's got to be charges on that, right. Yeah, Oh, yeah, he got charges. He went to jail and put him in handcuffs. The wholeline yards. I assaulted police officers, the wholeline yards. Yeah, I see you. Like yeah, that would be expensive and not just a quick deal. Oh yeah, but three weeks serious, like yeah, I really looking forward to going Fisher and I'm like, uh, that ain't gonna Happen, no way. was he on like a long term vacation or something? No, it was coming back. Are you just gonna come back? You're like, Oh, you can. No, I think so. No, I think that's happen. Producer. Due to what I hear, is single handedly my insurance going up. It's called the Mike White offer rule. Holy Dude. Well, years ago we had a problem with Cuban's hijacking boats. It was that's like and Miami vice ship for real. Huh? Well, I was around my fifty two FT or and my mate not just come in from double half days. It was like four thirty in the afternoons. Two cumunicates walked out there probably and I got pulled out of water higher of dollar bills. He goes, I really want to go fishing this afternay, I said wow. I look to my mate Said who do you think goes? I'm pretty tired, but we fished every day and fished doubles today. Like, I goes, I'll pay a five grant. I was like you have my attention and they were still asking questions. It's like you don't need to bring your mate, like what you you don't need to bring your mate? Well, we'll made for ourselves. I'm like, no, I don't go fishing without mate on a big boat. No, I don't do that. Yeah, not a fifties, fifty footer. And he was like, well, how much fuel do you carry? Oh, eight hundred gallons. Why, he goes, well, how much you have to fifty goes. Well, I'll fuel your butt up for you for freeze tip. And the hairs on the back of my neck started stand up. I was like, I don't think I want to do this. My mates like no, let's let's go home. You guys like well, you gotta know somebody around here, I'll take us out. And he pulled out at Wad bills. Probably had thirty thou dollars. It's like, I'll make it with you. I said now I'm done. As say as marina over there, your head over there and walked out of dock, talked to other people. He talked to four or five boats that we would take him. He went over the other Marina, charted oft Mako and they took the Baco out and he hit the captain over the head, push him in the water. And the only reason they gets cumans because they didn't switch the fuel tanks over. Trumped the captain thro the water. Dude, you were you were close to being done. That close. I feel like it's certain people, though. Mike. I think that, you know, I think we we drawed a little bit. I've been told I have a look. I don't know what that look is. I don't know even what that means, but that's crazy. That's some of the stuff you just just shake your head. You're like that can't be happening. So so, circling back here, like on the question thing, because I get the same thing, but I seem to always get some of the same questions, you know what I mean, even though they're in a different phrase or different ways and again, some of them aren't necessarily dumb. They maybe wear you out because just you hear them every day, like what's that? You know what's this or whatever. But I mean some what are some of the like daily questions that you just go, Oh my God, I'm living in a twilight world. Um, I like the ones like,...

Um, where does the ATLANT OCEAN START? Where does the Gulf in EXTCO because we're right on the border. If we come out of Harvard's all right, we go to Gulf. We turned left to go to Atlantic and I and people say like well, where does it get deep? Like well, once you get past reef it'll drop out to a hundred ten feet of water within a quarterbat. Well, how deep does it get? I said well, you go out of eighteen miles, you get to the wall which goes from eight hundred feet to fift hundred yards, like, well, can you touch the bottom there? No, I feel like you would ask me my producer dude, can I touch the bottom of a feet? It sounds like my it sounds like my kid just asking me questions about stuff that that. Where does the Atlantic? I thought you were gonna say what you know, we'll, we'll take a boat right out to the line. We'll show you the exactly that. The line is out there between them. What are we going to catch the fish? So, oh, that's producer dude right there. That, that is that, that Mike just slapped the ship out of him right now. that. This is literally like he hey, battery check, Hey, can we have the microphones on? Hey, when are we going to get a fish? I'm like, Bro, you were late this morning, dead batteries on the mics already, and you're aware of the fish, dude. But but again, this is not pick on client thing. I mean this. People love hearing these stories, but I think for me a lot of the questions it's not it's not even the question. See, I bet you're on the same page with me. It's when I'm in the heat of battle, like Um, basically taking hooks out of somebody's pant legs because they didn't listen and they decided to sit on my stack of rods, which was great fun. Or I'm on hooking a giant fish out of the net, you know what I mean, and they're like what island does that? Or how? What's the sunset? And I'm like, I'm I got like four things. There's boats coming at me, you know what I mean, like and you're like is it happy face? And you're just like no, no, like well, what's the answer? And there's actually I was just producer. Guys Thought of the story for another day about a guy who he was a Peta Guy and he um, he didn't want to pee in the boat. But says it's a story for another podcast. But it was just one of those where you're like, what's happening the twilight world that's going on? Some of the answers get great some of the answers to the repetitive questions. Where are we gonna good fish? Write a COR on the mouth? Yeah, well, when's IT gonna play when that rob bends over right and that's where the tourist people come in and obviously they're a part of your business, they are part of the key west thing, and I mean you're you're like an ambassador for key West really too. Absolutely so with that. I mean this is gonna go a different direction than he probably thought. I don't know what popped in my brain, but, like, I've been there quite a few times. I I do like Key West, like I like I'L Marato. There's several places I like to eat there, you know, and like lazy days one of my favorite places that eat up there. And but in key west, like the Hemingway House, like so people that are listening to this or maybe they're fished with you or half fished with you. You know, I've been to that so many times, because every time it's somebody different. You know, it's often a sponsor thing coming down from I cast or something in July, which is not fishing time, is you know, and it's it's way too hot for this ginger. But what are some other things that maybe are even off the beaten path or or, you know, maybe it's getting your picture taken in front of the buoy. But what are the things that you would tell them people that when they get done fishing with you or beforehand, that they need to do in Key West or or the or the keys in general. It's not even there's so many. I mean there's so much really cool history. I mean whether you get into the male fishing museum, which is the Utia, which was I think they found six hurt billion in treasures. So far they're still finding it. That's a couple of the shipwreck museum, there's so much history. And Key West.

Um, most people don't know the key West isn't really the original name of Key West. It was called Kyle, which actually isle of Bones. Say That again. It's called Kyowas who mouth it actually means the isle of Bones. Do we have some bad scoff happened there? What you know? You go back to the nine hundreds with the hurricanes. They used to bury people in the ground here and the hurricane flooding came in, all the bodies washed out of the cemeteries, all the bones, knowing natural grapple on the island was the trees. So what they used to do is they used to go offshore and ships and survive the hurricane and come back. Well, they come back to the island. All the trees were full of bones. Producer. Did you see? I mean this is happy key west destination and there's been a lot of death in violence and we got bones and trees. Well, you can get into the history of Key West and you know, most people don't know that the fort and civil war, the Fort on the car and Key West was held by the Union army. Yeah, it caps you over three hundred ships. Remember that. All the all the goods for the civil war. Most people don't know where the Mason Dixon line was on the east coast and originally was in the tip of the very southernmost point of New Jersey and Delaware. So they used to sail. The only way to get goods up the east coast was to sailed on the Mississippi come around key west to go up to the east coast. KS played a huge role in the civil war bottling up ships from the cannons in the Key West Harbor. They stopped. There were three hundred ships in the harbor. Wow. So there's a lot of history and I mean it was always a dead of parts. Most people don't realize that key west existed a years before Miami. It was a deep water port with fresh water. Yeah, so in Qus is a very long history. I mean people, a lot of people don't know about ship wreckers and the fact that Qust almost sent the United States in the war with Portugal and France and Spain. Is What they would do is they would lord of the ships, the ships would trade. Say you're the King of France or the King of Spain, you would load a ship full of your goods and you would sail through Europe and over to Cuba and trade for goods and trade up and eventually get gold and silver. Well, the natural trade route was to come up from Cuba, go up the east coast and take the easterly trades across, because if you left from Cuba you fought the trade winds and you would take three to four months to get home, whereas if you sailed up the east coast, went to possibly North Carolina and New Jersey and sailed across easternly trades and you'll be home in three weeks. So what happened was key West was deeply report. It had meat, it had water, it had fruit. So what happened is they would sail into key, ask the provision to go up to the east coast. Well, what the ship wreckers would do? Back then, salvage rights were the first boat on scene to a salvage was a salvage master, and that person would make an agreement with the captain and say, look, I will salvage your crew and your cargo, but I want your cargo and you, as a captain who just sailed for three years trading goods, go I'm not doing that. If I go back to Spain, they're gonna cut my head off if I get away. sevent the cargo. So he would wait for the femnes or an hour, and your ship would continue to break up on the reef and take on more and more water, and you flag them over and say come here, man came here, and I'd pull up and go you've taken on a bunch of water. It's gonna be more dangerous for us now. So now I want a five in your of your card. Ohoy. Now what do...

...you think after ten or twelve of these Spanish Guyans go up on the reef South Key West and each one of them has three to four million dollars worth of gold and silver? We think Spain and France and Porchville starts to say about the US, probably it's not their best friend. Gonna go to war. That actually declared wardens the United States because of key West, and the US's answer was to build the lighthouses every twenty two miles on the Reeflin. They're designed by George Eiffel and they built, I think it's wasn't, nine lights along the REEFL and every twenty three miles. And and where? For people that are and even myself, is this towards the Fort Zachary kind of side, Atlantic side on the Reeflin. That's why sinky lights there, that's why American Stroll Lights, say. Is Why alligator light is there. That's why all those lighthouses are there. Alligators up by Alamorada. Right, kind of correct. They were built all the way up to Miami. That's what stopped us from going to war. Now the ship wreckers weren't really nice guys, because what would happen is a lot of the ships would sail into key West on the lights of Key West, due north, on the lights of Key West. Is a natural key player channel through harbor, through the reef and all the way into the harbor. What the ship wreckers would do is they take a barge, pull it down beyond the reef, light a fire on it and the captains would sail straight onto the reef. I guess it would always be the first one there to savage that boat, as the ship Wrecker who lit the barge on fire h taking some goal, taking some gold they're talking about. I mean the money they were taking was QS spin, the richest city and key in the United States three times. So how did we get this conquer public thing? You know what I mean? That's like very interesting. Back in the eighties there was a little bit of drugs flowing through key. West want just a little bit, as it went to Miami. Yeah, so what happened was the DA and the government got set up, but the amount of drugs are going through the keys. So they actually put a what we called a border stop. They stopped every single vehicle and expected every single vehicle left the keys. Where did they do that? At right the top of keys highway, right where I went into Florida. Is that like near Kil Argo, like that top end, all the way up where the Big Blue Wall is. They stopped every vehicle that went out and what happened was apparently certain people's income was being affected. So what they did is keys seceded from the Union. I said, you've made a border. You now have border stop. You are treating this as a border. So keys seceded from the union and declared its own statehood. I feel like we're getting some crazy history here. I did not know. I thought it something kind of Sillier. No, no, no, they used to see it from the unit and the U S garment shut down at about two and a half weeks like no, no, no, you're not doing this, and they put him into that very quickly. But it also pulled the blockade. They stopped stopping every car that went up and as since it worked. There's a lot of wild history about key west. I I definitely have seen that. Like I said to going to the Hem of my house and you know they got the Truman House there. There's a lot of stuff there. I mean you can go get your picture taken in front of the southernmost point. You know that's kind of cool or whatever. But what are some other things that they go down there and they fish which here that you know they definitely we need to or me, like you know, I go down there. I try to get down there every year. I mean the Little White House is awesome. Truman spent more time here in his presidency they did in the White House. That's why they call it the Little White House. Awesome Museum. Um, the White House Museum is phenomenal. The shiplikers museum is phenomenal. Um, believe it or not, and this I hate to say this,...

...the contour train, as Hokey as it looks, I mean it looks like the ultimate tourist thing, is really fascinating because they ride around all the back villages and they tell you the history of all the houses and they're talking about the Simon Tins, who are shipwreckers, the Duval's Um. All the streets are named after old famous people that had a history there. Um, when I first moved to Key West I moved into a house. It was the first house built on this side of the island. It was called the Shell House and the gentleman who built it was built, God, what was it? Eighteen twenties? He moved from Alaska to Key West. He scavenged bricks from east Martello and West Martello, which were old forts, and built a house. He used shells and turtle shells. The roof was built out of airplane wings. There for like five years and the old story was there was a car, a horse and bugget carriage path in front of the house. It was the only house and that side of the island for twenty years and he brought his fiance down to it's spent a year in a half build the house. Brought her down from Alaska. The first few she was there she walked out in front of the House and a runaway carriage ran over and killed her. And he moved out of Key West and never came back and now he supposedly haunted the whole nine yards. But it was a cool, cool house. Wow. See, do you do you ever? Do you ever get I mean, you're not towards like duvall and stuff, are you? No, no, yeah, yeah, I thought where you were at like a couple of years ago. Have you moved from there? No, okay, I know. Yet I got you. I'm still Choya bull row. Yeah, so, yeah, that's just I mean do you do you ever get tired of all of the drunken tourist stuff, though, being so close to that, you don't. It's weird. On that really only happens in new in old town on the Wall Street, you get like where I live is in newtown. I don't see any of it. When I used to live on Simonton Street, I would routinely come home and they'll be drunk guys sitting in my furniture on my porch. That's why I wouldn't lock my door and people were drunkenly walk into my into my living room in the middle of the night, like two o'clock in the morning and comes back. That happens on putting bay. Actually just had a conversation at a boat show about that. One of the ladies got a house right in the water and she came in and there's just like ten drunk dudes in her house. That happens down here too. You know, qus is one of those places where kind of anything goes. I always called the island of misfit toys, like I grew off the rain there. Key Weird. It's key weird. It's just what it is. And after you live you're a long time. Like friends will come down and see me. We were driving somewhere like did you just see that? I'm like how about that van? There's like an old VW ban or whatever that's got all the shells and everything glued to it, or the Speaker van. I mean, I don't know if these are like regulars or whatever, but every time I'm down there I see something crazy. Like, I mean Malory Square, Dude. The freak shows at Mallory Square are worth the price of admission. Like, if you guys are going down there and you gonna fish with Mike, you gotta check out the Mallory Square. You get to tell your wife you're going to see the sunset, but you're really going to see all the freak shows. I mean there's everything. There's basically the circus acts. There's street acts that are down in matter square. That old sunset celebration started as a bunch of people going down there and smoking pot, just hanging out. That doesn't surprise me. That doesn't. But yeah, a lot of those acts are people that are they're working on their little craft, if you will, because just having seen them or listening to them and they were on America's got talent or these different shows and and some of them are actually, you know, recognizable if you if you follow that stuff, and some really good. There's a guy down there who was trained...

...house cats to jump. He's got cut spot. He's a strange little Frenchman and he's got about eight or ten cats and he makes him jump through firing hoops and jump from Trapeez to Trapeez. And it's not saying that on. Oh the Catman is odd. Has He been? Is he only there like in a certain time of year? Does he not do it all? He's normally here year round, but he slows down at certain times like July. Ross is ready, catman. I'm all over the cat man. He's ready to go to see and Ross. All we have is pat daily, you know. That's all we have. Putting Bay. Yeah, well, you know what in putting bay? And Mike, I don't know if you're familiar with this, my little history lesson right just I mean literally just north of us there in South Pass islands, called putting bay. A lot of the entertainers there go down to putting bay and actually work, like Ray fogg is one of them that goes down there and and I can name there's a bunch of them, I think. I think. Um, yeah, was it Pat Daily? Yeah, PAT do. Yeah, he was going down there and working and doing stuff and a lot of the people that have homes their winner down there. Believe it's not like called Key West North. That's very cool. I've heard a lot about but I've never been there. Yeah, I should take you there. Me and you would be entertaining like that producer to that is a video opportunity. I mean literally. People have said that we are the two biggest stone breakers ever and around put in Bay and me and him and no fishing, but then also some put in Bay, because obviously we've seen, you know, Mike Key's has, you know, interesting photos on his phone. I feel like I feel like right now, history lesson and got some got some colorful stories and some Cuban refugees and a history lesson. And you took the words out of my mouth. That's exactly what I was gonna say. I was like, I feel like we had happy stories, we had sad stories, we had like history lessons. We realized Mike is just as crazy as me and it makes me look a little better. Or there's another one of us um or my mom will watch this and be like, Oh God, this is what's gonna happen when he's gonna look like yeah, she's like, this is not going to change. He's gonna be Mike's age. And this is still rolling. No offense there, because you got you got a little more great and I got like, Yep, I can't wait to get great and with Ginger Beard, the longer it gets, the more orange it gets. I think that, producer dude, I don't normally we don't normally say these things in front of guests, but I think we need to give them both a round of applause, for I really think that you are the storytelling champ of so far. Yeah, I mean, we're not that far. We're not that far into the year, but seriously, like I mean, producer Dude, did he bring it compared to some of these other guys. They were all they were all a plus stories, and I'm sure he's got more. I'm sure it's not funny more, but I feel like there could be around two. I really do. Maybe, maybe, maybe, just a series story time with Mike. Oh my Gosh, story time with Mike. I feel like this could be a segment. Well, I mean, I don't know if that will affect my ability to crash on his couch Um in the near future, so I would avoid a seven hotel room that's fourth square foot. Get the stare bedroom room. You're the man. Mit Hey, I can't thank you enough for your time and all seriousness. That was great. Um, if people want to come down there and fishing key West, how do we get Ahold of you? That's why Ahold of this is. You can texting or call me at three Oh five, three nine five fish. And what's your website? Website is Key West, Florida FICIENT DOT COM. That should be easy to remember. I can't think enough of your time. Producer Dude, Um, can you help take us out, because I feel like I feel like you're you're due for one of these again. All right, we'll do it. I'm always you're always putting me on the spot with this because you can't seem to remember.

I can't remember it. Okay. So big water fishing podcast. You can find it on wherever you can download a podcast, on stitcher, Google play, apple podcasts and spotify. Got That one, and then you can visit big water fishing online at big water fishing dot com, on Youtube and instagram. Did I get in this time? You are not fired. This is I'm going to give producer dude and Mike Boast an absolute round around of I mean this is amazing, like I said in all seriousness, thank you for tuning into the big water podcast and we are signing out until the next episode.

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