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Bigwater Fishing with Ross Robertson
Bigwater Fishing with Ross Robertson

Episode 44 · 7 months ago

Producer Dude | Cameraman | Editor | General Pain in The Neck

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In this episode, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel for guests. Producer Dude reluctantly agreed to join me for a conversation. We recount our decade-plus of working together with some our favorite moments, colorful characters that we've encountered, and some major fails while shooting fishing videos. Capt. Ross Robertson has made his complete living chasing walleye as a full time professional angler for more than 20 years. Through the years he has worn many hats including time as a fishing guide, boat salesman, TV host, outdoor writer, product designer, tournament fisherman, speaker, radio host and podcaster to name a few. Ross fishes ice-out to ice-up on the Great Lakes. He spends the majority of the year walleye fishing on Lake Erie’s Western and Central basins. Check out more from Bigwater Fishing https://www.facebook.com/BigwaterFish... https://www.instagram.com/bigwaterfis... http://bigwaterfishing.com/ Download Bigwater Fishing Podcast Episodes iTunes https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/bigw...Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0i8zS8t...Google Podcasts https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0...

Producer. Dude, we've been talking about this for a while, and when I say we, I mean me. I feel like you're the guy creeping the background, kind of like right now is a kind of look at the back of your chair, because you're my Wilson, and I don't mean that by like ball stranded on the island with Tom Hanks. That was where my mind was going to. I'm going to go not, not Tom Hanks, I'm going to go like home improvement, closer to home. That's Detroit Fair. Host did it right. Yeah, and I mean you. You're my Wilson, like except for the smart and tall and old thing mice, but I mean you're like the year that you're the things that makes some of the wheels turn behind behind the scenes. So I'm just going to warn everybody. This is going to be the most boring podcast ever starting, I'm going to tell you right now. So keep listening, I guess you. Are you gonna? Country Steve Moden refused to talk. Yeah, no, I'll talk. I'm good. Okay. So I think this is due because, you know, country Steve, the people demanded that they've seen at the podcast did well, but I think a lot of people telling you. A lot of people, I don't know if they're just creeping and they're afraid to say something about, you know to me or whatever, but they ask about producer dude, like, first of all, why do you come producer dude? One Guy, one guy at the ramp, asked if I was producer dude. That was the first time that I got recognized here. You did in your and get may I had you are an ego mane. Yeah, you were out of control, like the whole day. That's all I heard about. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was a little the camera. I'm always looking, not l you know. Yeah, you're always looking for the spotlight, as I look at the back here chair. So I mean, realistically, let's back up a little bit for these people, because people are they're interested in this stuff, believe it or not. I mean, and I think it's because we're pretty open and honest about things. A lot of the other stuff you listen to, it's like, oh, man, these guys are there. They're throwing shade or snow out at you. Me and you've been together, believe or not. I think we're like twelve years. Think we're right. Yeah, right, right, ten or twelve years. Yeah, I think we're. Well, actually, I think it's ten. I think we're coming up on the tent anniversary of that first shoot we did. It's longer than you think. I put a lot, put a little bit of looking a few things up on this, but I mean, regardless, it's a while. I don't know how we, either one of us, dealt with each other. I mean, can I just be honest, you're often late. You're often fan driving an hour and a half to get there at five in the morning. Well, you know, no, you're not getting there at five in the morning. I'm leaving more. Yeah, okay, because we never have dod I'm like the last guy to leave the boat slip. You know that, and especially when you're doing this stuff. I mean, you know, it's been interesting. So twelve years of filming. I was just thinking about, you know, how far we came, because that very first show that we did was kind of like a pilot thing or whatever, and it was wasn't really intending on and going any farther. Is that kind of the internal as? You were the producer of the pilot. Yeah, pilot test show that you took me out in four to six footers for our very first try at this, when we didn't know what we were doing. But you, you guys, as you didn't have many days on the weather was wrong. I mean, what do you want me to do but think about this beautiful June day? I still people ask, you know occasionally, like my buddies, stuff like man, how'd you get started? I was like, well, actually I started with the producer that said, hey, can we catch fish by that island in the background place to remember? Then black, no, no, you were like this is just nothing out here. It's like kind of Blah. You were straight produced. Yeah, I was like, Oh my God, and and I'm under thinking it. Yeah, and I think, I think honestly. I mean that's kind of our relationship, you know, a decade plus later, or whatever that day is, you always are fighting for the production in most cases, and then I'm fighting for the fishing and there has to be some type of happy medium. Yeah, yeah, especially at night, you have to turn lights on Ross I can't film with no Goddamn lights on like that. Those conversations exactly it. Yeah, and then I'm like we'll get it, will get in a minute. We turn the lights on the boats and the official Polf, we will have boats and no fish. Right. But so, speaking of that, like who I mean, this is your time to shine here because of the things that we've done together. Who have been some of the most colorful people, because, as you know, we've had some color orful associates of mine and we've also had some, you know, just people that kind of just showed up. I mean, do you remember the Turtlemn? I do remember the turtle man. Yeah, that has to be one of the most. You need you need to tell a little story. I'm at at all open. Right. So, yeah, we were coming into Turtle Creek. I don't remember what we were doing that day. I think we were fishing a marina, maybe in because the lake was a little too rough and it had calmed down later in the day maybe, and so we took...

...a little ride over to Turtle Creek Marina there northwest Ohio, and came willing up and cut away. I don't remember who he thought you were. It didn't matter. It didn't matter. He was thought yeah, and he did. Yeah, so it is is old. It's old guy. I think he ran the marina or rand. No, no, he know out there. I don't know what he was just a fixture. He was a fixture. You got, it, hangs out there and he just comes out and he decides to tell Ross where the fish are and where to catch them, and then just kept talking to us as we were zipping on by in the Marina, when pretty much wouldn't leave us alone. And then, I mean a little bit to kind of Jerry your memory. So we started doing cutaways because of the wind and the light and everything. So you know, as you're filming these different shows, because this was for a TV show, we've got to do these things. A producer to he's all professional. He wants a different background here and there, as we talked about what happened during the day. Oh yeah, and he kept following us with his golf cart and he was in the right ground of every shoe, basically yelling at us. Yea, and yes, you want about question. You guys don't know nothing about fish. You need man, Oh my God. And then came over the woman that was just egging them on, just going Oh, turtle, yeah, and yeah, that's right, the woman that was running the gas doc, Bait Chap, whatever she's like. Oh, and I'm and and you always, I think jeff was our camera guy on that shoot. was everybody was kind of getting annoyed because like we can't get it done, and she's like oh the turtle, he's so funny, and we're like we have to get this done, but we're losing light and we're like this is our job. Can you help us out here? And she's had all. The Turtle Man, he's just so far. Yeah, it's always a challenge. She's there's always somebody Dr Ross. Oh my God, have we yeah, what was? We had a I mean I'm not really done, ready to be done with a turtle man, but there's been others of these, like the thing with the turtle man. I remember he came in that golf card. He whipped up there like he was doing like a burnout right in front of us. Yeah, you remember, and he had it was it was cold and nasty. Were all bundle up and he was in sweatpants with flip flops and his feet were so black from from just riding around at a golf cart with yous be yeah, I mean he was their feet and just like he lived there. He maybe lived in the in the woods. That was right around you know, right around there, you know, and I know probably a lot of our listeners probably have run into the guy if they've ever launched over at Turtle Creek, been over there at that store? Yeah, I want you know, and it because I don't go there a lot, but I haven't seen him. But that, you know, maybe I'm not a turtle time or something, but yea, yeah, that was that. We went working, went back in one of those little cuts, remember that, and then didn't catch anything. We were well, we almost like stranded a thousand dollar bassboat. Yeah, yeah, I remember where it basically the it ended. Yeah, I've been trying to turn the thing around. Yeah, I was great fun dodging trees and that's bass fishing is just so ridiculous. I just I hit small mouth. Okay, large mouth look well, but any rate. So I'm trying to think of is there been? There's been other things, like you said, people that just talked the ear off and and I like the Turtle Man. It didn't matter. He I don't think he had any idea what we were doing, who I was or whatever. You though we'd like kind of tried talking to him like Hey, man, can just give us a few minutes to do this, and he was like zero hearing any of that. He just saw a camera and it was his time to shine. Yeah, yeah, he was. He was a pain in my neck that day and, put it that way, I thought that was it was kind of funny, even though it first ten minutes I thought it was hilarious and good tv, and then it was at the point of like Oh, this is bad. And he did make the final cut. We did put them in there for a second. Really should I don't remember that. That's actually I don't worry, yea, that I don't remember, because I I do remember talking it out with the whole production people, to whatever on several things like this. We're like, you know, hey, do we have to have a release from him, or is this just public tolmain because you're up in my grill. Probably should have had a release, but yeah, we just we just let it be. Yeah, and then, and you know what else just popped in my mind? We were going to launch out of there one other time and remember it poured pouring rain and we end up canceling the shoot and you sat under a tree pouting. Yeah, I do, because I do, because you gave up because you had to go to soccer practice or something you like loud and beater. It's going to be amazing. It's going to be amazing, and you're like, too bad, so sad. Yeah, and it was. I remember driving homegun. You know what, it's really Nice Right now, twelve years later, this guy still folks, doesn't have an either. Yeah, you're still with me, but you still don't how to dress for the weather. You're like one of my guy clients. You show up like in shorts or something here and I remember, I don't, I don't have the clothes. I do. I do have a pair of ice fishing pants, like the big, the big x whatever. Those pants are the same ones. You have those blue ones? Do? Yeah, ice might. Do. I have to do? I literally have to clothe you now, I mean because I...

...you could use any of my stuff, but we both know you was what you'd swim in it. Yeah, yes, you have to clothe me. Yes, Oh my God, this is this is kidding. You know what I'm going to just so I can tell people I clothed my son over here. Yep, I got a new clothes for yeah, I remember you showed up and I can't remember. I think it was we had dog. I think it was Doug, you fresh. We had what this? We filmed a night deal in the central basin, like over towards Cleveland. You remember that? And you showed up in like like Corduroy Pants and was like zero and crab had John's under him. I was good, okay you. That was like right around Christmas time. I'll never forget it. It was so freaking cold people. venty five degrees, thirty degrees? Yeah, it was a little. It had to be cool. And that because there's the deal. You are yelling at me to see if you remember that. See My memories either really amazing or just crap. So crap. Well, I'm doing better job than you are. You didn't remember the turtle man, let's be honest. So here's the deal. Work with me on this one. You were yelling at me because if you watched any of our videos with anybody else involved, I step in the splash wall and lean on my big motor and or the men coode of talent to Neett, but doing it for twenty some years, going to keep doing it's what I do, and I would step in the splash wall. The water that was coming in the back of the boat was freezing like instantly, and so every time I would step in there it was like and you were like, dude, audio, audio. Do you remember that? No, that was on that shoot. I do not have I have a I know the shoot because it was a full moon. WE ARE RIGHT OFF CLEVELAND. We went out about five o'clock, but I do not remember that part of it. Maybe I was so cold from not dressing for the weather that it froze my brain. I don't know. You would literally like I wouldn't even want to get to get the mail. How you were dressed and I'm like, what are you doing? But you it's surprising on how you do or don't get cold. I mean because I've seen it both extremes, Thur's days. I or maybe you're just internalizing it because you know I'm going to yell you. That's probably it. Yeah, but yeah, I don't. You yell a lot and I try to stay away from that. Yeah, like when you're late all times, it's not a big deal. I mean, you can see I'm over it now. I don't care. I don't care about that anymore, obviously. So I'm trying to think of what else. I mean, we've had, like I would say colorful guests, like, I think one that comes to mind just because I remember being on the shoot and like five minutes. And just so you guys, this is this is really prior to our youtube and all the videos that we're doing now. This is more the TV show some of the we're going back, I guess maybe starting there, but you used to always try to rip me no, no matter how you could, for the guests and you'd always would side with a guest and you're always on their side. And I can remember, though, the one time five minutes and you told the guy you remember this, dude, I'm vail. I know, yes, I normally always side with the guests and I give them one get out of jail. So the second time you're on the show, it's game on. But you get one, got a jail. And you told Tom bettle Arrow ranger boats, VIC sports center. You told him, Dude, you have no get out of jail. On hammering you this time. I'm stop talking. He just talks and talks and talks. It's just all right, we give it. I mean it was a good guest, made good television because he does talk any but yeah, I mean he's just always he's always talking, he's always calling catfish. He's out world record, while I, like you, every fish is the world record. I was literally, I was literally dealing with some sponsors. I mean we're talking some of the kingpins that we're deal with. And Tom is telling the story about being on that show, and that's got to be like seven, eight, nine years ago or something. That was a long time ago. Yeah, I was one of our that was one of our first shows. First, right, three or four shows, and and he was telling his people, oh, you know, rust us all the editing. So, I mean it turns out. It turns out because someone had washed some of the clips, I think, that we had put out of that just kind of teaser things or whatever, and Tom's telling everybody. He's just I mean he's like a used car salesman meets like pizza bulivery guy and he's like just, Oh, yeah, you know, I mean what you see happened. You know, he edits it. You got to remember that, you know. I mean I had a giant fish, I mean giant. They probably didn't put it on because it was so huge. And then that catfish, I mean obviously knew that was a catfish. You remember, and we literally have audio of me going hey, Tom, I think that's a cat yeah, yeah, yeah, let's no, no, it's a giant wall. It's a giant wall. Yeah, my catfish. You knew it right away and I he earned them here in the nickname whiskers. That day you did remember. And then I don't. You weren't. I don't think you were, the cameraman. I'm pretty sure it was just Jeff. I think we went producer for three night show I was not a part of, and that's when he thought that he had the world record on it. He kept telling us about the world record four hundred times. I had to bring every line and chase it down with the boat and he had ripped the hooks out of one because he was real and like make a wish kid or something, I don't know, and he just going crazy in this thing and the hooks rip out. You can see him because when we eventually get the fish and they come out of the mouth and he had one hooked in the back. Basically, it was it was ridiculous.

It was absolutely ridiculous, but I think he was the one so like other colorful people, I mean I think there's a couple like elephants in the room here with us, but I want to hear your perception of like it was there that Oh my God moment, or like this guy was different than I thought or surprising, because some of these, some of the guys, I think, are really surprising one way or the other. I I enjoy shorty Craig. We've had him a couple times getting him to did we did we really though getting him to talk. It was, you know, and he didn't always feel like he wanted to even have the camera near. He did it because he, I guess you did it because he's friends with you and he's great fisherman. I mean you've said it to he's probably the best ice fisherman you've ever known, you know, but I always found him kind of fascinating out there in the group Tom like we talked about what's back. You always had good people that when they fished in the boat, and then there was country Steve. Well, let's back up the shorty a little bit because when you said like, I don't think you did a good job of framing that up. Other than that he's an incredible fisherman, especially with I stuff. He literally point blank said, why are you giving you a microphone. I'm not talking and I'm not going to be on camera. Butt it. I got him to talk a little. Did we use any of it? Yeah, yeah, we did. It was the ice pond. We went out up in Michigan. We went to that ice pond and we were doing pan fish and he did explain. He did some explanations of what he was doing and yeah, we got them. We opened them up a little bit. That he's he's been on a bunch of shoots, but just always in the background. He think he refuses to be involved. He just there to help out and, you know, drilling hold and figuring it out and all that stuff. But it's hilarious. I mean country Steve Obviously. I mean we gave him that name, like he I gave in that. I gave him that name. Do you realize that back up? We're going to have to watch. Will hold on? I throll it. No, seriously, you're going to have to because if we need it and we need to input this in here, because I don't. I think it was country reese was the instagram models. Yeah, country reese was the instagram model. That's that Steve was following. I honestly I don't think you did, but I want to hear I want to hear that. I think you need you're gonna don't know if that I don't know if that is in that video, but I'm pretty sure I was the first to column Country Steve. Just saying, you know what, I don't think so, because you know, on the name giver like in boats, I give everybody named country reese, country Steve. I don't know if I'm going to give you that one. I would honestly like to hear the or see the footage of that. We got to dig that up because that people ask all the time. How could we not and we can't obviously show them the footage of why country rees or whatever, because you can check that out or so at yourself. But I think actually I think she's gone off instagram. The last time I checked I could not find she got you have probably thrown off. I mean the funny part of that whole deal that just makes me dive with laughter is I go on and look at that because when we're doing this whole thing, I mean I think we might have talked about this in the country Steve podcast a little bit, but it's worth repeating because it's just to me hilarious. So if you remember, an interject wherever. But so we've got her on there. We're looking at this page and I'm like, Oh my God. So then I'm like we can there's no way we can use this, like this doesn't pass the mom test, even if your mom is like like a biker, like a bartender biker lady. Like there's no way, like this is crazy. So I look at this is like no dice, and you're like, Hey, maybe we can get her on to introduce country is Steve and and I'm like, Oh okay. I'm like yeah, Hey, maybe we can merge some followers, and then you're like yeah, that night you call me and you're like a little bit of Info here. We're not merging with her followers. Number One. Yeah, I had. You're like there's I would love to end your career right now, but it this absolutely would do it, one hundred percent. There's no way. And so we went into plan B mode on that and that was just, I mean hilarious. But the funniest part of that whole deal. I think we talked about this on the on the country steed podcast. Do you remember this? So when you're on instagram and you're looking at someone's page, it's like, Oh, Billy Smith and forty two other people follow you know, producer dude. Right. So when I'm looking at this on that on that one, we're on the boat and Steve's like here you go, there's like there's like no one that's following her. Right. That's a part of my deal. When we put that live, with that video, we went, I went and looked again because we I was thinking, Hey, can we do some type of deal with this or share thing or whatever, even though you were like hell no, and there was like seventy some of my followers, my fishing followers, that then followed her after that video came live. True Story, and I was dying with laughter. But you guys are all dirt bugs and it's so hilarious. That is the power of Youtube. And in just point out that I did save...

...your career. Thank you. You did. You've tried to, tried to sound so many tooths you were going home. You were well, I mean you've saved me on a couple things, like you remember that Tattoo deal, which we don't need to get into extreme details on. But after I got about that. Yeah, Oh, this, should we just go out there and say it? Yeah, I think you can share it peg. So we are. I'm at a show and I'm with a bunch of reps and and other fishing guys and this this waitress comes up and she's like are you Ross? And I immediately knew my boys all set me up, like this was a setup to you, because I'm looking over, I got people smirking and whatever, and I'm like listen, my buddies are jackasses. Well, what are you getting that? She's like, Oh no, I watch your stuff. Like no, you don't. So I start asking a question. She obviously is no idea. Right, this girl's tattooed up. She's like a Tattoo girl, and we come to the conclusion that we are going to give her a free fishing trip. This is like, this was a legit and I think covid and my producer shut it down. This was a legit idea. Yeah, this actually like was in. This was in the work to the worst. YEA, yeah, this, yeah, Oh, yeah, and super cool girl. Don't get me wrong, super cool. She was fun and but any rate, shows she saw all tatted up and literally one of my buddies there is to seeing how far he can push this, because he's he's like me and we probably won't say who he is. There was doing this. But so it just keeps going back and forth, back and forth and getting worse, to the point that my buddy, on my behalf negotiates a throat Tattoo, which was it was originally be like an arm tattoo, but like a giant to be a throat. I didn't know what that far. That's that's what he negotiated. But then she had like a spot on her arm that you could have put this thing like huge, like like we're talking like. He was like it's got to be like this big. It was like, I don't know, six, seven, eight inches, my big water logo on her on her in a visible spot, okay, and he's like yeah, that's branding, that's brand big, and that we were going to the agreement was, I were big water fishing was going to pay for this tattoo, but then she was going to go on a fishing trip that we were going to video, because this is this is this has been a while ago. What like we were gonna we were going to video, we were going to get video of her getting the tattooed, the Tattoo hundred percent. Yeah, so we were, we were. We even went to the point of like, okay, where can we get a tattoo that's close to producer due because they didn't live that far apart, and this and that. We're trying to work this all out, like I mean, these are the logistics. Like I don't know if this is insane, because I know you kind of get me trying to listen to Mr Beast and I listened to him on Joe Rogan the other day driving back from the show, and like he's he's doing these crazy things, like he was. He gave away an island, right, he gives the way, he gives away all his money and by he has no money. He said he had a boy here to borrow money. I'm like, Rogan was like, what are you doing, dude? And he makes he makes the hundreds of thousands off that one video, you know. So obviously what he know? He's got to be making more on that producer dude, because here's the deal. They says he has over a hundred employees. Now, yeah, like what I kind of channels. If you guys don't know ask your kids. They'll know who Mr Beast is, but he's a pretty big youtuber. Can I add the back of your chair looks mighty fine, Wilson. Is that where you make us awesome? Is that? Is that where you make all the music happen? Right there? That's what for all the stuff. That's where all good, amazing videos. So this was back when me and you obviously not working together, but when we first started, came together and said Hey, let's let's try to do some stuff here, and that this was the tattoo thing, was one of the first video ideas. I don't know if that's good or bad, like if our juices were flowing, or if maybe we wouldn't even be here right now, like ID be unemployed. That's possible. Yeah, it was a good idea principle. So, looking back, I mean, should we have done that, or should we revisit this now that Covid is tamed? I don't know. What do you think? The viewers and listeners think? Should we do it? I think we need to ask him, because, I mean, I may or maybe not. Can you find that girl again? I have the contact information because I'm very good at saving. I have I have a folder with our stuff and I have it actually. So I mean this was literally like weeks before covid like literally a week or two before the whole then we don't remember when we were doing it. Yeah, I guess you're right, because that's kind of when we were starting to do the youtube thing with the videos and stuff. Yeah, it was. It was sweet. This was right in the very beginning when we were trying to figure out, like Hey, what direction we're going to go. This is before the podcast even existed. Yeah. So, other colorful guests. I know you prepared nothing, as usual for this. When I prepared nothing. Yeah, and I and that's put that I was show sweet and I was. You are late. You were late and it shows that you're unprepared, but it's no big deal. So other colorful guess I really want...

...more your take on it, because I think the people want to hear a different take. They know me. I never stopped talking, like Tom Paddlerow, like I mean some of these people, like the kind. I mean the first time you you were around Country Steve was actually twelve years ago, because he was our camera boat driver. He's always better. I had writing. Yeah, I had no idea until we've realized that after I met him again, I guess. But I mean some of the other interesting things. I mean like the one thing that just is hilarious to me. Again, I'm not why I have to bring all these up, but do you want me to tell him? Just like this, I feel like this is the country Steve Podcast, part two, the little I wandered Miche, I warned you. I warned you ahead of time. My God, it's like you're like a shorter, skinnier version of Country Steve Right now. But do you remember the shoot where we went to a guy that I know had a basically, I guess you'd call it a pond, and it was like fivezero degrees, okay, in central Michigan or whatever? Do you remember? I swear, Bill Crank Pike, there you go, were and we had a camera guy who is afraid to get in the boat because we, I think, jam the rag into this John Boat for a drink and we are the bigger guy he was. You know, you might be listening. I don't know if he's nine. If he is, it doesn't matter, John, we're not. We don't care if you're listening or not. But so, do you remember there was this guy's out the Oh yeah, I got a boat there, but no problem, just go do whatever you want to do. Man. I'm like, well, what do we need to bring? Like, Oh, no, no, I got everything's there. Yeah, and there was one of those paddles from like it would it would have been a paddle, if you can visualize this, people like from like a swim toy in a pool. And it was so a tar smoked, it was so sun bleached that the first stroke we took it just disintegrated. You remember that? I do. Yeah. So one week we're literally filming a team that this is a TV show. One Week we're filming a TV show out of my fancy ranger, all big, sparklyy, loaded up with all the just the greatest, and the next we're in a John Boat that were bailing out with, you know, a Coffee Cup, quite literally, and like a gas station Coffee Cup, and we have a like a tshirt from the back of the truck. These we're using as the drain plug, and then we're paddling by hands, like if you could dig baffoot John and half a paddle. I think you guys did you half paddle. If I am right, because I was in the boat because for a little on camera guy wouldn't get in the boat so he sat up under a big tree with a you went and got himself. Do you remember that, fanning himself? Yea. Yeah, look, I just remember being out there in that boat with the camera and I'm you know, at the time I was not. I didn't run camera. I just kind of stayed in coordinated and worked with the camera pop person and Ross, because we were producing for TV, so we were a little more structured. I guess you'd say that when we do the youtube videos. But yeah, I do remember sitting there and looking up. It was kind of like a little bit of a hill on the side of that pond and yeah, he's up there just hanging out getting paid and I'm in the boat, wabbling in this shaky boat. You know, am I going to fall in or not? So yeah, we had some absolute nightmares. I think, honestly, maybe it's just because we've done it longer, you know, with the with the TV thing, verse me and you with the current Youtube and podcasting also, but we had, I think, more crazy things happened with that and I think part of it was because we were so it was corporatized so much that it was kind of a nightmare to do. Like I was handcuffed you or handcuffed, and it was just like at time. I mean we ridiculous. Television just television is more structured than youtube just in general. So we had certain things we had to do. We had to account for television breaks, for commercials. We had to have a certain length of show, so, you know, with a variety of different things, where on the Youtube we can just throw twelve minutes out there three times in a week and be done and be good. So that that was kind of the difference with shooting the television show. And you know that. You've been on a ton of TV shoots and you know and Youtube shoots and there's no constraints on Youtube, and that's that's the difference. But don't you think, I mean maybe you're I'm you got to throw this out there. I call him the suits, right, I mean, I don't think that's an uncommon name. Like you can remember, we sat in a few meetings and I think they looked at me like we need to fire this guy. How are we dealing with him? Because I'm like, guys, remember that we wanted I'm like, well, they went and they wanted to do them the mommy, the Mommy River run. Yeah, like, but I would of season. And then they want me to go stand and one of these guys are snagging and I refuse to do it. I'm like guy, they're they're not legally catching them. I mean, I'm not going to get them at all that and I think we compromise by making it a segment about those people doing that stuff. But Hey, and so they're there's a colorful guy. Do you remember that? Shoot, Clarence, oh my God, Dude, Joe, do you remember nothing? Yeah, so to that. So if you're...

...not familiar with the Mommy River run, basically, and I've never you know. Again, I'm not a fisher person, but from what Ross tells me, you know, it's a lot of like he just said, it's a lot of snagging, but there's a ton of people and they are elbow to elbow across that. So so people, I'm going to interject real fast. So people that aren't familiar with this are there. Are D and Our agents everywhere was spotting scopes in the woods because o when I right now? Yeah, I mean and overwhelming amound of people are snagging fish and they know it and these fish are not there to bite. And so, I mean they just they take people out of their daily right. So, anyhow, carry on. Yeah, we're pulling up and we did a you know, looking for angles, because Ross did not want to get elbow to elbow with someone in the river because he probably would end up punching somebody or something like that. Anyway, so we were looking for stories and there was a gentleman there. He had a van and they had the doors open. He was selling fishing lures, right. So we thought, okay, you know, this guy's interesting. Ross kind of knew who he was and he was gonna Sayre it's interjecting. I have five years olds from him, since I was twelve or something. Yeah, right, like everybody knows clearance down on the river? Far None, so so Ross. So, you know, we go up to him and we wanted to interview them, you know, about being down there as part of the story, and Ross, you wants, you want to say what he said? He basically told us to get screwed. He's like hey, you know there's these people going to see much money I got. They're going to see I'm down here and I don't know if he's worried about maybe he wasn't paying taxes or something. Yeah, I think is LAS. His exact quote was, last time I went on TV I got robbed. Yeah, it was something. Yeah, yeah, he he went like he the first few seconds he's like Oh, yeah, you know, because we told like hey, you're the guy down here, we want to just get a few words and he was all about it and then it was like seconds later like it clicked in his brain. Hell, no, and he went and he basically just wasn't like he was like get out of here, don't, don't turn that camera on me. I don't want to see you again. Leave. Yeah, and then I think we went down and interviewed some kid and his mom in the parking lot. We did. So I think that's you know that when you talk about suits and trying to do a show, you know something that they wanted to do, that that's what we had to do that day. Well, it's funny too because you know, I've done some other major TV stuff and, like some of these, I even know what it calls streaming services. Without saying who and what. You can probably figure out which ones they are. And I mean we have to get permits to where we're going to launch the boat, like you know what I mean, for them to even film in the parking lot, and some the insanity, and I look back at, you know, some of the stuff that we did and I'm like, Oh my God, like we were just like we are flying by the seat of our pants. I mean, and we kind of do the same thing, obviously, with the youtube deal, right. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's public area. I think we can, we can shoot, you know, as like news people do. So, you know, yeah, because obviously we're not making any money doing this. We are not. No, I think it's especially when you figure out your gas and the time and my gas to get down there. And Yeah, I mean, yeah, like I remember that one shoot we did and I drove like can you were like, are we in Cleveland? Yeah, that was this last year, and we drove. Yeah, we want twenty five miles. He said THY miles, not a Oh yeah, every better. That every better. That we were we were pretty much my hometown. Yeah, they but like that. I'll tell you what theough that was a really good video because we straight jack some giants. If people want to watch a good one, that dips it was a dipsie video, is how it turned out, and we caught them like and it was it was always neat because it kind of laid out what happened, like with the current was wrong. So I picked up the move and I'm sure you even are like what are you talking about? And we came down and we had four on it one time with like four or five rods out, and we had some giants and then I was like the weather picked up. To you remember that, I'm like, we're out of here. And so we literally just shot this. We shot a fifteen video and about twenty minutes. Yeah, I mean, and I will give Ross Kudos for all of you out there in that watch the videos and watch a lot of fishing videos. There's really not a ton of a lot of these. There's not a ton of editing. I mean, you know, we'll we'll regularly catch ten, twelve fish in twenty minutes sometimes and we're like okay, and everything else we do after that is just kind of extra. mean. We've got enough to show and we showed enough tips. I mean he really does. He really does get on them. There's there's not a lot of magic that you know. That's one of the things we've always tried to do is just show you when you mess up, show you when you're doing well, and just show what happens. And I think, you know, I think that's a credit fentic. Yeah, I think it really is. This is not since the first compliment in twelve years. It's not like her tears come. We're not. We're not rehooking fish and pulling them up through the ice. You know, we've never done that. No one, and and I think you...

...know a lot of people that stopped me. I think they appreciate because probably more show on the TV show. Even I think we showed this. Maybe it's I don't know, maybe I don't know how to even say this or frame at up, but we had some TV shows where the fishing was not phenomenal and we told you like there was no like camouflaging at you know what I mean, but we can't. We showed the process and I can think of, you know, several of those were, I mean ice fishing shoots in particular, where we had one on Lake Erie where it was it was getting very treacherous. We had one we're on. We had to leave a lake because the ice was leaving us. Remember that inland? When we did were Jason fell down. Yeah, and you know, we went to several we went to like three little inland lakes in order to just to get a show in, because so much of this is the youtube is different because, like you said, we don't have a deadline and I guess at some point we just would say no dice. But with the TV show, like we both were on a limited jole and shooting days and this time is money and we had, I won't say it was a big production, but we always had on one or two camera people. You know, you were on most of the shoots and you know we had a lot of time. We had to get something and sometimes I you know, I know it. I think it was funny because you'd usually hit me up and obviously busting my balls, but you would be like well, you know, you'd be surprised, I'll get this one turned out, and I'm like, how's that even possible? But some of the shows that didn't have the best fishing, that I think the storyline and people relating to like going here in this happening, going here in this happening, this breaking or whatever is just real to people and and we put that out there and that we never did any no shady stuff ever. And you know because right out of the gate I was hardcore and that, like we are not going to be fraudulent in any way, shape or formant. I can promise you. In the outdoor industry there's a lot of that that goes on and that's why I was so persistent with that. Yeah, we've never done it. I mean there and there's been times where, you know, I want to Promo or some kind of teaser at a break and you've said, nope, that's not real, that we're not going to do that. So so we're doing. What do you think the futures? I mean, I mean even you know, growing with this and we, like I said, we like many things that are online. We started during the kind of the covid break, even though me and you would kind of talked about doing some other things and some little projects prior to that. That's where this kind of started and I kind of actually have fun with it, to be honest with you. I mean I think me and you a lot of the shoots were just me and you are actually kind of fun. We bust each other. There's chops. I hate to say that all out right. Yeah, let mean, that was something new too. We tried right. Mean we always had had a guest prior on all the TV shows it was you and a guest, and in a few of the first few of those youtube shoots we had country Steve and then, you know, we just we couldn't get him one day or something. We said, let's just go out and maybe in from poising him. Yeah, well, that's right, from the Mexican restaurant. Yep, and he called in. Remember he called he called it in while we were fishing. Yeah, that's that's a good of you to watch. We smoked the fish on that one. I mean that was that was a slaughter. That was pretty nice. That wasn't that was naughty. But so, you know, like the PODCAST, I mean we've had some I know full of Schlosure to anybody listening to this. Producer Dude is not a fisherman. It's not like he's an anti fisherman, but he's just not a fisherman. One of his boys is kind of into it and some neighbor kids. But I mean how is this developed? Because you've seen some of the characters and seen the fishing thing and seeing because you've learned a lot about the fishing and fishing industry, you know, through this whole ride. Right. Yeah, I've learned a ton BL L Linder and and Gary Roach and you know, you hear those names. You just being around you and and researching for podcasts and looking around, but you know, doing those podcasts and just really learning. I mean these guys, these guys are legends, mean real legends. So yeah, I mean that's that's one of the things I love learning about it. You know, I've always been a lake like Gary Lover. I've always lived close to the lake my whole tie. He's a jet skier. He's a jet skier. Folks, I'm holding im a jets gear but plays. But you didn't stay very I'm a very conscientious jet gear. If I see a boat and this and it's all from it's all from being with Ross. I see a boat out there, the next thing I'm looking for a player boards to make sure to see where those are before I and then go way out around and slow down. I am, well, very conscientious. Does I've learned it from you. I learned it from watching you. Okay, I'll give you that. I'll give you that. So I mean, I think to me of the stuff that we do, I'd like to hear what the people have to say because, honestly, the feedback is really good. You know, some people give you some wacky feedback, but some people give you some really good stuff. And obviously we can't accommodate everything and everyone, but I personally probably enjoyed doing the podcasts like this the most because we get to bring, like you said, some...

...really cool people. I don't know who I'm allowed to say because we have a bunch that are really good to haven't run yet, so I don't know when this is going to come out, but, like you said, I'm the ones that have come out of me and Gary Roach at lander, Bruce Sampson and maybe we've had some guys that really have brought it even you know some of the guys that maybe you don't know or name people, but like Chris Vanderdout from the Acoustic Telemetry Pot of Educator Lakes. Yeah, man, I mean we've learned a lot of stuff. We got a couple coming up that I and you know which we've got three of them in particular that I'm really proud of of being able to get these people on. Like I was so fortunate because I a lot of these people with their level and time, I honestly thought they'd be like yeah, whatever, dude, no dice. You know what I mean, because I get it, like I get a million opportunities for people that they want me to have in the podcast and you don't want to say no, but I mean it's a time commitment. It's not like a ten or fifteen minute interview on the phone. These are our our and a half multiple communications. You know beforehand. I don't know if you feel that way or not, but yeah, I mean they are some work, it is time consuming. There's some research to do, definitely, but you know, I people do seem to enjoy him and more and more people seem to be listening to them and accessing them and and on all those platforms. So please let us know if you want to see somebody on there or some type of thing. You know, we've kind of steered away from telling me about certain knots and you know, and you know, do you tie the FG not? And to odd hook, using a VMC's to this or what like. We've kind of steered away from that and try to be a little more entertainment but also education focus. I mean like there's a couple of them. I mean we got into some stuff that it's just more big picture fishing, but so we're not limiting but also just some really interesting characters, like Pete Mania for that mean mania that I say that right. I said it wrong every time. Main Mana Mana Mana correct and if you want to understand what we're talking about, watch the beginning of that podcast. Asked we it's issues. Right. Pete's a legend. Also, you know he started mania, tackle, mania, tackle Muskie, Mayna may not. I like Pete. He's a big mullet and I love it. Even you know she said Guy, still like them, but I mean a lot of those podcasts. I mean I think he really you get to see some really cool stuff. I mean to me, on the PODCAST chip cart right from silver streak, Scott Stecker started reef runner, one of my favorites. Today it did okay, but I think if people were to go back and look at one that I think was was pretty cool, was on Nathaniel Welsh, the world famous photographer. Some of his stories, man, I like that one. Yeah, he's photographed some legends, not just in the outdoor industry. No, he's about like just before our podcast doing snoop Dogg and Nicki minash or something like. Yeah, there's the big water podcast, Eddie. Yeah, it's Tom Petty Trauma. He had a lot of them. Yeah, I mean there's that. I think the podcast is my favorite because he gets, like I said, you get to know some of these people, even though I know him, like you get a different side of them. I mean the video stuff is fun, but I mean for you. I mean, but I'm not talking to behind the scenes editing and stuff, because I can't imagine that's the most fun. But I mean what did in this journey of basically working with big water media whatever, digital stuff, like, what do you think is what's your favorite thing of doing, and where do you think we're going with this stuff? I mean, where do you think that the dual world is going? I like doing the I like the editing, I like being a the to take that to our trip or hour and a half trip and and condensed that and make a story out of it. So I really do enjoy that. You know, I think the sky's a limit, you know. The only thing that limits us time sometimes as schedules and getting out more and doing more. You know, we're both busy people. But but I do enjoy it. I liked, and I told you this too, I like the ice fishing trips when we when we get a chance to go out. And do you have said that, which is surprising to me. Yeah, you always say it's private there, it's just an adventure and I'm not in a boat, I'm walking on my feet. Well, that brings up I didn't write hardly any notes for this because I knew it was just going to be a train wreck anyhow. But you guys, just so you know, if he's been in the boat with me fifty times, there's been like forty near boats with seasickness, like every every trip like that. We have cut things short and I, you know, treat you like a six year old and yes, yeah, Dad, we're going to go in, but do you want to give your interpretation, because you may or may not have had an incident on chip cartwrights boat while we're filming. Yeah, I thought we might get through this without that coming up. We're almost there and I and as soon as it, as soon as being in a boat came up and I set it up. You remember, you an opportunity and now I'm even letting you tell your side of the story. And it's that make my spend either. So I thought I not going to be much...

...different than yours. I mean, it is what it is, right. So, so we're out and it was. It was. We've been out and worse, for sure. We were in a thirty three footboat too, which is, you know, in fairness, that doesn't necessarily sometimes those rock more. That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Yeah. So, so we were. You know, we've been out actually in chips, but we were out in worse the year before. Oh, the like really bad we had, yeah, really bad. It would really bad where. Yeah, you were tank, things were breaking, you're tangling lines, chips, losing clothes and he, yeah, he had a plainer board. That's a great video to watch. To we had. We had Captain Ron Levitt, and WHO's that? WHO's a freaking old school, I mean just a great captain, and the rail ripped off of the boat that was holding the player board. Do you remember that? Yeah, absolutely, almost ractor right in that. He it was great fun. Yeah. So, anyway, so we're out again and it wasn't quite as bad, but it was a little choppy. You know, we were probably two to four that day. Wasn't horrible and I was doing fine. You know, we were out and I you know, I was, I was and then I I went into the cabin. This was my mistake. I went into the cabin and was playing with the GOPRO camera and had looked down and I was messing with the settings and all of a sudden things just started spinning and I came out and I'm like, you were sweaty. Yeah, I passed out. I mean I really I like pay aniced or something. I don't know what happened. Next thing I know I was on the floor and, you know, and thankfully and unfortunately, Ross didn't take any pictures made other than he didn't video any. He I think he did take a picture something. So actually, do want to hear the truth? There is there is video and there is pictures and they're being held. These are best search these are best served cold. So maybe we should maybe that should be like your since we don't do Wilson, we could just do one of these of you laying. But the funny part of the whole deals. We had several people on the boat for that deal. We were kind of doing a joint sponsor thing and if you remember, like you came out and one of the people was like are you okay, and I looked at you and you were like it's it wasn't cold out, but it was cool, and you literally were like ringing wet. Yeah, and I'm like and I'm like what's going on? Well, that point we had like three fish, Bang and we're reason big boards. They ripped out, boom, boom, boom, and I just remember someone saying to me, are you sociopath? You literally stepped over his motionless body and I'm like, dumble, next Manu, next man, anything less. Oh my God, he bolt. He he was out cold, and I can remember ship going. Is He okay? Do we take them in? What do we do? Yeah, I'm it wasn't very long, I because I wasn't out that long, but I know I was out for a second or two. So, but let's talk about I did get up right. So this is actually the part that makes me just wonder, like if I would not have been there. Okay, people. I don't I don't know how to even. You have to take my word. This is what happened. He was out like there was no faking he was dripping wet. He got up like he didn't even know where he was at. Is like you know your name, like, did the guy have a stroke? I mean seriously. There's a few minutes there were like like maybe this is more serious than I thought. But I've spent a lot of time on the water. I got, you know, twenty plus years of fishing, you know, hundreds of days, but four thousand plus days of fishing on the Great Lakes. I've been around a few people that get seasick. I've been around a few people to have things happen. I've brown bag induced generally, if you know what I'm saying. But chip cart rates even older than me, like he's been doing this even longer. We both were like, I've never seen anyone ever recover. Like ten minutes later you were like it never had happened. You're on the camera, you're picking up, you're like hey, turn this, you're great. You were producing again. I was like, what the Hell just happened? And who it look because normally when you start to get seasick, like I've got to like, you know, give you like CPR and get you in and like three seconds. Yeah, I don't know, laying down in that boat. Not want looking at the horizon or something, and I remember you're like don't lay down, don't lay down, don't lay down, and I gotta lay down. You can you kept see you. You collapsed in the corner of the back corner of the boat, and I'm like you got to get up, let me get some crackers, let's get water, and you're looking again. I was like just leaving them, but I did recover. We did another hour and a half or two hours on that shoot and I was perfectly fine. Okay. So so here's the deal. I feel like that's the amazing note to end on. But I have one more thing. I just kind of notice and I'm looking at the back of your head, which is actually better than seeing you. But I'm sure people are going to wonder a why we look on the back of your head, Wilson, but what are is that some communist photo or what do you have in your office?...

That's front and set. The head is I was at a flea market and there was a Chinese lady selling posters of stand I just thought it was a cool history piece. If you're wandering, it's Chairman Mao. It's a it's an old from one thousand nine hundred and sixty something. It's a a propaganda poster from China. I just thought it look cool. I'm not a Communist. I realized him and now killed millions and millions of people. I used to have this in my work office and I would have to explain it to people like. Okay, Oh my God, you had you had that. Yeah, I had. They don't hold you off now in high reference. What's that? You had this in your TV office. Yeah, Oh my God, what kind of I did do? The CIA is going to be honest now, for sure. Yeah, I mean no part of this. Move America. Did a Google translate once and I don't remember what it said, but it was basically saying something out Chairman Mao is a great man or something like that, which he's not. I'M gonna I'm gonna say it again. I'm not a I'm not a fan of chairman moth, Stalin, Hitler, any of those guys. I just thought it was a cool history piece and a cool looking poster. I'm just gonna go for the record. If you put a if you put a picture of Hitler up in your office, you're fired, I would imagine so, and I you know this is almost as bad. Or you know they killed a lot of people too. I don't know, I just thought it was cool. Look cool. God. So here's the deal. You fought this because, I mean, we joke about you being the Wilson and behind the scenes, but that's the let's count of your thing, even though I feel like almost like in a country, Steve Way, but we're definitely not there. We're we're slowly bringing you out of your Shell, because you've always been behind the camera and I feel like we're integrating you in, slowly but surely. I feel like this was kind of a lot more pain free than you thought it was gonna be. Yeah, II, yeah, it was pain free for them. So I feel like there's so many more things and I'm surprised you didn't throw me under the bus. And some more of these shoots are you probably just now you have an opportunity. Don't know, I mean, I I guess I feel like I throw you under the bus during the shoots. That's very high. That's a valid that's about so we didn't mean there was nothing to really throw you under the bust, you know. You know my favorite thing to do to Ross is, after two or three minutes with the lines in the water, to ask them where's where the fish? Yeah, there's so many things that just I just love. And a door. Yeah, but you're right. I mean we honestly don't hide anything. We use all that footage. We're like, yeah, you're yeah, you're late. Yeah, but you're late. What are you doing? This is what happened. When we'll get you remember, because I'm you remember. I had the guy on the river yell at you. He's like where's producer dude, and I'm like tell him, he's coming right now. Tell him he's a jackass for being late. As you remember that. Oh, there's so many. I wish you would pull some of these clips out or you quickly delete all that footage when we get back. No, I I don't keep the raw stuff that we dead I didn't use, but I do have all, you know, all those other videos that we've done, but I don't keep them. I don't keep all the raw stuff interesting, but if it's good, it goes in the video. If it's not good, it doesn't, it doesn't make it, and it's something. Sometimes me and you have a difference on what's good, though that's the only thing that this. Sometimes we bicker about our ideal. We do good, but I think, I think we're going to leave this on. I want everyone to leave with the impression of you passed out on the back of the boat and me stepping over your cold, limp body to land a four pound wal life. which was more important? I feel like that's that's a good place to leave off. No problem, and I think now you have a little bit of a little bit of homework, because I feel like the people are going to respond well to this, I really do. I think they're going to want to hear more. They're going to want to hear you give them a little more insight of dealing with me, because that's that's you're like a Kinderguardan teacher at times. You, I mean honestly, I'll say that right now, when you're producing, if you can even say that, I mean, I don't know if that's really a few add if you let me, if you let me produce. Put it that way. Sometimes we were amazing. Together we're like peanut butter and Jelly and other times we're like oil and water. But I think when there's other people thrown in there, like we mentioned Tom Vattallero, we mentioned country Steve and there's been many more, I think it your job becomes very difficult or very easy, depending on how you look at it. Wrangling you and getting you to slow down as always the challenge. I think that that's probably the next time we're going to talk about that, and then that one country Steve Shoot with the sunglasses. Will leave it at that. There's our teaser for everybody. Remember, if you don't out, remind you later. Viper, is that...

...a pageant wave? Yes, well, producer, do since I do. It's on all of these. I want you to to send US home. Do you know where you can find us? At the big water Polus, you can find let me, let me see that, get my announcer voice on. Oh boy, I don't know if I can. You can find the big water podcast on your favorite streaming platforms like Stitcher, spotify, apple podcast, Google podcast. Also look for big water fishing on all the social media platforms like facebook and Instagram, and wherever else you look for fishing videos. You screw that up. Oh my God, I don't think I did. I screwed up. I wasn't smooth. I think that you were about as good as a Buddy Brett macomas from targe Wali doing is a lander impression, but it's now here nor there. were out and that hurts. I'm we're going to leave you on a note of failure. All right, make sure you tune into the big water podcast because, unlike producer dude, you can find us a big water fishing on facebook, instagram, Youtube, and the podcast can be found on also on youtube, but also on Google, apple, stitcher, spotify. How am I doing, producer dude? And I just say all that you've missed the life thinking of something over there, but I'm sure you'll correct me in the edit. Yeah, we're out.

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